Posted on 03/05/2019 4:30:43 PM PST by Libloather
California's largest county has banned the construction of large solar and wind farms on more than 1 million acres of private land, bending to the will of residents who say they don’t want renewable energy projects industrializing their rural desert communities northeast of Los Angeles.
Thursday’s 4-1 vote by San Bernardino County’s Board of Supervisors highlighted a challenge California could face as it seeks to eliminate the burning of planet-warming fossil fuels.
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Dozens of local residents spoke in support of the proposed ban, known as Renewable Energy Policy 4.10. They came from high desert communities such as Daggett, Joshua Tree and Lucerne Valley, where existing solar projects are seen by many as eyesores that destroy desert ecosystems and fuel larger dust storms.
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Only twelve years left - startingggg now!
Gotta be Trumps fault, right?
First they swore off solar panels
Next it will be wind turbines
Is it taking @AOC too long to get to California for a green pep rally because she’s on a sailboat?
Think about it for a minute. I live in LA and you citizens 150 miles away have to supply me with water and energy destroying your communities. Oh turn in your guns while we are at it.
Time Magazine ‘Hero of the Environment’ Michael Schellenberger exposes wind/solar: Why renewables can’t save the planet.
https://quillette.com/2019/02/27/why-renewables-cant-save-the-planet/
Believe he also was on one of the Fox shows discussing this. He’s become a proponent for nuclear. AGW cultists heads exploding.
San Bernardino is probably the most corrupt county in the country. They have been busted over and over for corruption. So while the board doesn’t want solar and wind projects they are perfectly fine with profiting as personal share holders in a private company who is going to suck all the water from this very same desert and sell it to Orange County/LA.
Guess who the hypocrite and bigot backing the Solar and wind projects? Good old extreme environmentalist and “protector of the desert” Dianne Feinstein herself. Just ran across the bill she sponsored to support this just the other day.
They are all Crooks and liars.
The water project is outright theft and corruption. All the SB county supervisors are share holders in Cadiz Inc. I know someone who has gathered the evidence to prove the corruption and collusion and several are going to end up in jail and losing everything they own over that one.
Good ol’ San Berdo. I’d bet 20+ percent of the population there is on parole.
Wonder how much of that billion $ is Fed money and how much POTUS can be recovered for the tax payers.
well this is quite the conundrum - northern states are counting on turning western and southwest deserts into solar farms. And now they’re getting a big fat not in my back yard from those desert communities. The north may want to go back to the drawing board and come to the epiphany that oil and natural gas are still the best renewable energy form.
You side with telling these energy producers they can’t do what they want with their land? Buy the land.
Keep in mind that there is NO WAY that the left will permit the huge areas and eyesores associated with wind and solar.
NO WAY.
And that was ALWAYS their plan. Sure they ‘promised’ to support it, but ONLY when needed to get legislation passed to shut down fossil fuels.
It should be obvious to the people here that shutting down fossil fuels without replacing them was always their plan - at least the leaders, as they can do the math. Do not think these people are dumb or misinformed, they are SMART and they know EXACTLY what they’re doing and they’ve always known full-well that we were never going to replace the our electrical power sources with wind and solar. The followers, yes, they’re all Art-History majors so they think a few panels in a field are enough - but the LEADERS fully understand that their plan could never see the light of day, and they’ve known it from the outset. Now we’re reaching their end-game - no more solar/wind projects, and no fossil fuel plants, that simple.
Wind and solar are very, very ineffective ways to produce energy. If LA wants energy put solar panels on the beaches and wind mills out on the ocean. Leave your polluting hands off the desert.
This state wants to be 100% renewable energy, which does not count hydro, by 2030. Either they will have to dump that goal, or they will have to force people to build and live next to these solar farms.
Time to put a pig farm in.
Both solar farms and wind farms are ugly and destroy the natural habitat of all kinds of critters and annoy the crap out of humans.
I used to live in the Golden Eagle Motel on 5th Street, next to Sir George’s Buffet. That area was pretty rough 35 years ago. I could imagine what it’s like now.
Did anyone read any of the comments section? Some real winners there...
I think someone already mentioned that solar and wind are both inefficient and costly. This is the biggest problem, and why they only produce around 10% of the power available out west now.
Solar -
Does not produce a thing after dark or on cloudy days. Low light efficiency is getting better, but still lacking.
Birds flying over large solar farms are being roasted in midair.
Maintenance is expensive, life span of solar panels is about 10 years.
Requires some form of battery bank to store any power not used immediately.
Wind generators-
Noisy.
Also not reliable or efficient, low wind means no power, high wind means lock it down or risk expensive damage.
Maintenance also expensive.
Birds killed by the thousands when they fly into the blades. Wind farms are hiring people to go around and pick up dead birds. Including Eagles.
Also require some form of battery banks to store unused electricity.
I can’t find the article now, but something like 100 tons of coal needed to produce the concrete and steel needed to manufacture one large commercial wind generator. (think about how much coal is required to melt a ton of steel)
Cost of both - 22 to 26¢ per KWH, versus 4 to 7¢ per KWH for coal or natural gas power plants. I was in Las Vegas with my sister a few years ago, 2010 I think, she was complaining her electric bill was over $350 for a travel trailer. Not a 4 bedroom house, 25 foot trailer. One light is usually all you need. And it’s on a 12V convertor. I think most everything is run through a 12 V convertor, so it can all run on battery or vehicle when plugged in.
Nuclear - Cheap and nominally safe, but I’m not a fan. The risk is too great. Chernobyl is still uninhabitable, and what is it now, 30 years later? Fukishima (SP?) in Japan almost melted down completely, leaked radioactive water into the Pacific, it’s now washing up on the western banks of the US. we’ll be seeing problems for many years.
A meltdown is a huge problem, Chernobyl is a perfect example. The one in Japan was just plain stupidity, who in his right mind would approve a nuclear power plant on the most geologically active island on the planet? Except maybe Hawaii... That was a disaster waiting for a chance to happen, and it’s still not totally contained I don’t think. What will happen if they have a more serious earthquake? And it’s going to get bad in the next 30-50 years. Solar minimum, always coincides with increased geological activity.
The potential for disaster makes me think nuclear is just a bad idea. I’ve never liked it since I was a kid and knew very little about it. Especially the idea of using it in a bomb...we already have plenty other weapons of mass destruction without going nuclear, it should all be banned entirely. Weapons, energy, the whole shebang.
Unless this is a farm where the thousands of mirrors are focused upon a boiler; this is bull crap!
I wonder if the mirrors could also be used to focus on an orbiting satellite to fry it?
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