House infighting: Does Pelosi have a tea party problem?

Associated Press ^ | March 8, 2019 | Lisa Mascaro and Laurie Kellman

[Olog-hai]

A restive group of newcomers. Baffled party leaders. Fiery conversations behind closed doors that spill into public view and threaten to upend legislation.

After a wrenching week for Democrats, it’s hard not to wonder: Does Speaker Nancy Pelosi have a tea party problem?

Emboldened by their ability to seize the spotlight and shape the national debate, a core group of high-profile freshmen Democrats are driving an agenda that could define the party for years to come. Much like the tea party conservatives who vaulted Republicans to power a decade ago, these Democrats’ firm ideology and wait-for-no-one swagger have set off a fight for the future of the party. […]

That could be a preview of what’s to come. Some of the same lawmakers who defended Omar are pushing the party to endorse drastic steps to tackle climate change with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal. They’re ready to impeach President Donald Trump, openly defying Pelosi’s resistance to the idea. …

[Olog-hai]

Overconfidence of media. Never mind yet another false comparison.

[Tench_Coxe]

"Much like the tea party conservatives who vaulted Republicans to power a decade ago, these Democrats’ firm ideology and wait-for-no-one swagger have set off a fight for the future of the party"

No,what is happening in the Democrat party is a Bolsheviks vs Mensheviks type struggle.

The Tea Party movement was to throw off the the encroaching Deep State and its attempts to cement its power.

[BobL]

I guess the difference was that the Tea Party loved this country and wanted to help it move forward, by opposing Obama, among other things.

This bunch in the Democrat Party HATES THIS COUNTRY, and is trying to destroy it.

[Sicon]

Nan’s got an anti-American, anti-Semitic, socialist, islamist problem. Or put another way, business as usual in the democrat party.

[cpdiii]

The AP article was surprisingly accurate as opposed to their normal left wing bias.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

What a disgusting, insulting comparison.

Tea Party...freedom, life, liberty, lower taxes, smaller less intrusive government, traditional families.

New Democrats...socialism, enslavement, high taxes, massive state with its boot on your neck forever, gas chambers, destruction of the USA and Israel, every perversion known to man.

[BradyLS]

Pelosi has a Me-Me-Me Party problem.

[JennysCool]

unfortunately for the Democrats, they’re in a battle to decide who amongst their hate groups hates the country more, exactly how they hate it, and what they should do to hate it most effectively.

[BobL]

They also have to factor $$$$ into it, which is why it was so tough for them this week, when it should have been a no-brainer - after all, their base simply HATES JEWS, and Jews won’t come at you with bombs if you anger them. So dump the Jews.

But should Jewish money dry up, the party is simply finished...hence the mess they had.

[KC_Conspirator]

No $h!t, not a comparison at all.

[blueplum]

she has a Bernie party problem.

[llevrok]

San Fran Nan has lost control of her caucus. Nationally, there also is a growing split in the Dim party.

I thought I’d never say this, but I do miss the old Dims. These pip-squeek socialists scare the buh-jeebers out of me!!

[Windflier]

I thought I’d never say this, but I do miss the old Dims.

Your comment made me stop and try to remember a Democrat politician whom I actually liked. Even though I was raised Dem, I can only think of JFK and RFK, but I was a kid when they were around, and didn't know any better.

Searching my memory, I can't think of a single Dem I honestly liked during my adult life. Los Angeles mayor Tom Bradley comes to mind, but I was so tuned out to politics, I'm not sure he counts. I just remember that my home town was still a decent place to live when he ran it.

Honestly, Reagan was the first politician I can remember personally liking, but he was a former Democrat. I didn't even vote for him, but he earned my respect and admiration.

[thoughtomator]

It’s bad enough to make one pine for Dennis Kucinich... at the very least, the man did not walk in lockstep with orders from high above as the rest of them do.

[LostPassword]

It's MUCH WORSE. The tea party, and conservatives, and republicans agree almost completely on principles. Disagreements were on priorities, goals, and willingness to compromise principles to reach goals. When you have agreement on principles, you can negotiate.

Old dems (liberals) and new dems (progressives) disagree on principles. One of the most obvious principles they disagree is individual freedom
liberal: I disagree with what you say but will fight to death for your right to say it
progressive: I disagree with what you say so shut up. If you won't shut up, universities and media companies should shut you up. If they can't, the government needs to step in

Liberals and progressives have similar disagreements on freedom, rights, sovereignty & separation of powers (states rights, US vs UN rights, court vs legislation, etc) almost every principle.

From Wilson to Clinton, Ds followed classic liberal principles and incorporated progressive principles where they could - sometimes compromising liberal principles, but at least being aware that they were compromising principles they valued.

Obama ran on liberalism even though he and his administration ruled with progressive ideas. Then Bernie came along and got a lot of D voters to abandon liberalism (with much help from universities, media, etc). They have voters, members of congress, the media and many presidential candidates fighting against liberal principles. It's not a large percent of Ds, but they are very loud. And liberal Ds have A LOT MORE IN COMMON with Rs than with progressive Ds.

I don't see any D who can unite liberals and progressives - that's not possible on principle but could happen with a focus on goals. I can see Trump convincing a lot of liberal Ds how insane progressive Ds are and that progressives are the future of the party.

[ronnie raygun]

Listened to newty yesterday and he is right, the old rat guard is frightened, their reaching their 80’s and the new kids on the block were programed by the very rats they are now going to eat. Children of the corn comes to mind!

[grania]

"tea party problem"? Why is it a problem when voters want the pols they send to DC to keep to their campaign promises and to speak for them?

I support freedom of speech, both sides of the aisle. I despise labelling people in negative terms by what they wear, what they say and what (legal of course) activities they attend.

[grania]

Dennis Kucinich….his views were so independent that he dwelled in that special place where the outlier left and the outlier right have consensus on many issues. He lost his way on many issues, such as caving and supporting Obamacare, giving up his pro-life stance, and no longer being a vocal advocate of peace through negotiation. He did stay strong on US jobs for US citizens, but became very silent about illegals entering the US.

I suspect that's why he fared so poorly in the primary to run for Governor. He was no longer a voice for the issues he used to champion.

[PapaBear3625]

But should Jewish money dry up, the party is simply finished...hence the mess they had.

Not just money. A lot of the activists who organize for the Democrats have been Jewish. Especially the people from the Bernie Sanders campaign. If they #WalkAway, then that's even more trouble.

[central_va]

Really, calling the Tea Party a “problem” is accurate? Pffft.