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Theresa May’s Brexit deal suffers second defeat in UK Parliament
CNBC ^ | 3-12-2019 | Holly Elyatt

Posted on 03/12/2019 12:37:12 PM PDT by tcrlaf

The U.K.’s Brexit deal with the EU has been rejected by U.K. lawmakers in another landmark defeat for British Prime Minister Theresa May.

May’s Brexit deal was defeated for the first time back in January but she had hoped last-ditch tweaks to the deal, specifically on the contentious Irish border issue, would help persuade Members of Parliament (MPs) to change their minds.

Her deal was rejected by 149 votes after 242 MPs voted for the deal and 392 MPs voted against the deal. Sterling pared earlier losses against the dollar after the decision to trade 0.2 percent lower at $1.3124.

The deal’s chances were dealt a blow earlier on Tuesday when the government’s chief legal advisor said that the risks to the U.K. from the “Irish backstop” remained unchanged despite recent legal assurances from Brussels — although he did say the risks had been reduced by the tweaks.

The Irish backstop is a mechanism to avoid restoration of the “hard” border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland that was erased with the 1998 Good Friday peace agreement between London and Dublin. Some U.K. politicians don’t like the fact that the backstop, although intended as a last-resort, would mean the U.K. remaining within a EU customs union for an indefinite amount of time and unable to leave unilaterally, effectively meaning it might be tied to the EU for an unspecified duration.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; brexit; eu; europeanunion; eussr; germany; may; nato; theresamay; ukssr; unitedkingdom
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To: central_va
New suppliers yes - but not in the UK

If BMW makes minis in the UK with parts across the supply chain, it makes more sense to shift the British manufacturing bits to the continent

Ditto for Honda, Nissan, etc. etc.

There are no scale british car manufacturers

Can you grasp that? Let me explain it to you like you are a first grader

The UK isn't the end manufacturer. It is preferred because it is IN the EU common market.

Brand new factories in the UK aren't being built.

There is no new domestic supply if the demand goes (meaning the factories that assembly go). There is already "domestic supply" between factories in the UK and the Netherlands (say) as there is not tariff cost

121 posted on 03/13/2019 8:05:28 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: bert; HamiltonJay
Bert is correct. I work with many companies that are moving operations to Central Europe. Yes, many are keeping their operations in the UK and many are shifting out

Now even if the UK goes for HARD Brexit, it could still have managed if it came with a firm idea of what it wanted. But it did not

122 posted on 03/13/2019 8:08:57 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: bert

I was never talking about companies I was talking about the Uk government. That was quite clear in my post. It has nothing to do with individual corporate entities


123 posted on 03/13/2019 8:08:58 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Cronos
If BMW makes minis in the UK with parts across the supply chain, it makes more sense to shift the British manufacturing bits to the continent

If. Or it may make more sense to pay the duty on the parts and keep the factory open, even IF THEIR IS NOW A DUTY ON PARTS.

To continue with your example: They (BMW) can move the mini cooper plant to the EU if they want but the cars they now export back to the UK WILL have a duty applied to them. OF THAT I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE. Better to pay duty on a box of wing nuts then THE ENTIRE CAR.

124 posted on 03/13/2019 8:28:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Cronos
I work with many companies that are moving operations to Central Europe.

Professional grade globalist traitor scum. Here's hoping all of you rot in hell.

125 posted on 03/13/2019 8:31:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va
you don't seem to get it that there duty is not a one time on one part.

An extreme case are some Vauxhall cars that ship back and forth across the channel three times as whole entities. That's not including the cost of the parts moving. This means each move has a tariff added to it.

imagine that - it's not a one cost on one part but multiple costs on multiple parts

126 posted on 03/13/2019 8:31:39 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
Can you grasp that?

It is better to pay a duty on a few parts then the entire car! Can you grasp that?

127 posted on 03/13/2019 8:32:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va
About the mini cooper. Yes, they would move this to the EU, because they sell more there (larger market). Exporting to the UK will mean the prices will be higher, yes, but:

  1. The competition will also have the same higher prices so no competitive loss
  2. They sell more of those cars in the larger market than in the smaller

It's a no brainer to move the stuff to the larger customs area.

128 posted on 03/13/2019 8:35:26 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
Brand new factories in the UK aren't being built.

Let's see:

New prefab factories in the U.K. to build 25,000 homes a year

Siemens to open train factory in east Yorkshire

Surge in UK Car Manufacturing, Huge Investment in Research Centres, New Factories

Hey gloBULL boy want to tell some more lies u POS?

129 posted on 03/13/2019 8:38:13 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Cronos
Sure they will sell a ton of right slung minis in Germany. LOL

The competition will also have the same higher prices so no competitive loss

Not the cars built int the UK they have no duty. LOL. Where did you go to school? Dumb as box of rocks

130 posted on 03/13/2019 8:40:31 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

Hard Brexit will be a disaster economically. It will also mean that the UK will reduce to England+Wales. And they will lose diplomatic power on the world stage. But maybe it will be worth it for them.


131 posted on 03/13/2019 8:45:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: HamiltonJay

I will argue that there is government and then there is government leadership

The evidence is that today, “the Government” in the form of the parliament has exerted power to overcome the will of the leadership.

It appears that so long as May is in leadership “the government” can not make the desired changes going forward.

That raises the question of if “the government “ has sufficient unity of purpose to develop a program to go forward. I suspect that unity will take a long time in the fire and lots of hammering to forge a final tool.


132 posted on 03/13/2019 8:46:40 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Honduras must be invaded to protect America from invasion)
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To: Cronos
Hard Brexit will be a disaster economically

We'll see global boy. We'll see.

133 posted on 03/13/2019 8:47:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va
Good rejoinder. I did not know of those. A Chinese company -- score!

And actually the last link is incorrect

134 posted on 03/13/2019 8:48:06 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

-——many companies that are moving operations to Central Europe-—

Now that is an interesting thought for me to chew on. I’ll have to think on what you said.


135 posted on 03/13/2019 8:48:43 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Honduras must be invaded to protect America from invasion)
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To: central_va
Sure they will sell a ton of right slung minis in Germany. LOL - perhaps you don't realize it but they manufacture minis with continental drive

Not the cars built int the UK they have no duty. -- and yet those cars "built in the UK" will need parts from abroad - AND they won't be built as the factories will shift to the larger market

LOL. Where did you go to school? Dumb as box of rocks

136 posted on 03/13/2019 8:50:38 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
McLaren 'reshores' work as it opens new factory in Sheffield

Haribo to construct second UK factory for $109m

Glaxo invests £500m in UK and builds new factory

137 posted on 03/13/2019 8:56:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Cronos

Why would you import cars form a factory in the EU when you can make them duty free in the UK? All the UK producers need do is lower their price a few points and gain a greater market share. That’s the whole point of an import tariff to make domestic suppliers more competitive against imports and to promote domestic industry AND IT WORKS!


138 posted on 03/13/2019 9:00:32 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

We’ll see boy, we’ll see. Your facts show that it will be a disaster boy.


139 posted on 03/13/2019 9:13:35 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: central_va
Let me explain it to you one more time - to make the cars in the factory in the UK you will need to import different components. You'll need to ship the components back and forth. And remember the UK manufactures very little of its own

Don't try to say "it would work for the US and it would hence work for the UK" -- the US can cut itself off from the world, while the UK, ever since the 1700s, could not

140 posted on 03/13/2019 9:50:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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