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To: VanDeKoik; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; veracious; UKrepublican; fieldmarshaldj

There may end up being an election but no. The only type of legislative defeat that is automatically what they call a “confidence” vote is one that has to do with “supply” ie money (as in voting down the government’s proposed budget).

Brexit is complicated, like trying to pull all 8 tentacles of an octopus from out of your bum.

I am no expert but from where I sit as an American observer, I’m feeling sorry for May and am not really seeing why it’s her we should be mad at.

She seems to be doing her best and does indeed seem to be respecting the referendum result despite her personal position. The EU octopus is unwilling to offer a good deal and almost no one is keen on a “no deal” (and I doubt running on “no deal” would be a winner for the Tories if there was an election). I’d say go for it but they fear economic collapse and they may be right.

If I were an MP I’d have voted for her deal on that basis (and to hell with Northern Ireland and it’s complicated “backstop” that is the main sticking point). Rejecting it has put Brexit in jeopardy as the Commons seems set to extend the deadline. Pro-EU Tory traitors voted against the deal as did hard-core Brexiteers who feel it’s not good enough. I’d secure the exit before worrying too much about the details. Sadly for May she seems doomed to a legacy of failure. Doesn’t she look tired (reference for Doctor Who fans). I see now why Cameron immediately took a powder.

Things could be going a lot better if COrybn didn’t GAIN seats in the last election due to May’s poor campaigning, blowing a huge lead. Even if the Tories were united now, they have no majority without the DUP, who are obviously preoccupied with the “backstop”.

Tories lead in the polls again as the moderate-wing of Labour is revolting against Corybn’s leadership and he also put Labour Leave voters (who went UKIP in 2015 but mostly went home in 2017) back in play with his support of a 2nd referendum. Several MPs defected to a new group (joined by a few Tory EUphile traitors as well). It’s amusing the the Liberal Democrats as 100% pro-EU center-left have totally failed to make any hay at all despite seemingly obvious openings, you’d think they’d be scooping up Tory Europhilies and Blairite moderate Labourers but no.

An aside but I’d urge President Trump to do a trade deal with the UK as soon as they are out of the EU (if that ever comes to pass). I would hope the Marxist US House wouldn’t stand in the way.

Looks like one of 3 things will happen

1)Deadline extended and who knows
2)No deal, which is the default with no extension
3)Election, and who knows depending on who wins and God knows whether there would be enough time to first elect a new Tory leader.

Above all else, Corbyn must be kept out of power, if he’s in there then not leaving the EU will be the least of the UK’s problems.


98 posted on 03/12/2019 10:51:18 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: Impy
You should be mad at Theresa because she's made a right pig's breakfast of it all

The EU IS offering a good deal to the UK:

  1. The UK keeps all it's open market privileges until it concludes (or is closed)
  2. The Irish border remains open as per the Good Friday agreement

What deal were you expecting that is better than that?

The UK has no idea what it wants

to hell with Northern Ireland and it’s complicated “backstop” that is the main sticking point) - May's deal ensures that hte UK upholds what it signed in the 1990s - the Good Friday agreement -- to keep the borders open.

The deadline can only be extended by a couple of months - the EU parliament elections are in May and once that happens, the UK is still in the EU for the next 5 years (so Brexit is over)

An aside but I’d urge President Trump to do a trade deal with the UK as soon as they are out of the EU (if that ever comes to pass). I would hope the Marxist US House wouldn’t stand in the way. -- it's not the US house but US farming lobby that will stand in the way. The UK will not allow American meat or eggs to be imported to the UK. This will block any and all deals

101 posted on 03/13/2019 4:43:25 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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