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To: Simon Green
I think the SCOTUS was in the right to reject the case prima facie. Turning away customers who are in a protected class is going to be really hard to defend. I'm not saying that this business would have turned away black people citing their personal beliefs but that would be the analog.

An artist using his talents for creative expression IS protected speech and should fall within First Amendment protection.

3 posted on 03/18/2019 10:35:57 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: NohSpinZone

But they’re not right if it was all based on blackmailing Roberts.


21 posted on 03/18/2019 11:17:58 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history? https://ses.edu/)
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To: NohSpinZone
I'm not saying that this business would have turned away black people citing their personal beliefs but that would be the analog.

That would be a false analog. Being black is an immutable quality of one's DNA. Being lesbian is a behavior. Even if the argument were made that homosexuality is genetic, it is STILL a behavior.
24 posted on 03/18/2019 11:28:21 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: NohSpinZone
. Turning away customers who are in a protected class is going to be really hard to defend.

So if I demand that the protected class of Ilhan Omar bake me some pies that express the sentiment "Farook farooking Molesterman Mohammed!"...that's gonna happen?

27 posted on 03/18/2019 11:51:11 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: NohSpinZone; All
"Turning away customers who are in a protected class [emphasis added] is going to be really hard to defend."

"protected class"

Interesting choice of words.

Noting that I don't know the specifics of this case, it's déjà vu of the 3th Amendment (3A) imo which prohibits the feds from quartering soldiers in private homes, the incident certainly running against the grain of that amendment, 3A applied to the states by the 14th Amendment.

"3rd Amendment: No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner [emphasis added], nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

In fact, consider Justice Joseph Story's insight to 3A.

"§ 1893. This provision speaks for itself. Its plain object is to secure the perfect enjoyment of that great right of the common law, that a man's house shall be his own castle, privileged against all civil and military intrusion [!!! emphasis added]. The billetting of soldiers in time of peace upon the people has been a common resort of arbitrary princes, and is full of inconvenience and peril. In the petition of right (3 Charles I.), it was declared by parliament to be a great grievance." — Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§ 1893

Note common law mentioned above is a constitutional term. So I question the constitutional integrity of the Court's response to this Hawaii case. The common law “castle” would support the 2nd Amendment and other enumerated protections too.

Insights welcome.

Sometimes I think that you could ask even conservative, post-FDR era Supreme Court justices what year the Constitution was ratified and hear them say in 1942 when the Supremes wrongly decided Wickard v. Filburn in Congress’s favor. /sarc

Also, since you mentioned protected classes, note that the Founding States made the following constitutional clauses to prohibit the feds and the states establishing privileged / protected classes which HI's law, along with the Court’s response, effectively does for LGBT people imo.

In fact, since the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect so-called LGBT agenda “rights,” we’re seeing politically correct state rights trump constitutionally enumerated rights.

Again, insights welcome.

I'm convinced that possibly many FReepers are constitutionally savvy to the extent that they can decide Supreme Court cases with more constitutional integrity than the Supremes can.

"The Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary, as distinguished from technical, meaning; where the intention is clear, there is no room for construction and no excuse for interpolation or addition [emphasis added].” —United States v. Sprague, 1931.

33 posted on 03/18/2019 12:14:32 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: NohSpinZone
Turning away customers who are in a protected class

Homosexuality is a protected class?

38 posted on 03/18/2019 12:26:34 PM PDT by aspasia
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To: NohSpinZone
Turning away customers who are in a protected class

The very idea of a "protected class" is repugnant to a free society. Where in the Constitution is any form of US government authorized to grant special "protection" to any group of citizens?

49 posted on 03/18/2019 12:51:46 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NohSpinZone

There should be no protected classes: none.

Blind justice and equal enforcement are inherently incompatible with the very concept.


66 posted on 03/18/2019 4:24:21 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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