Posted on 04/04/2019 1:13:46 PM PDT by Liz
My FRiend, this is bigger than the swamp....this is the global socialist swamp....meaning the socialists in the EU plus the friendly islamist nations all working together to undercut individual liberty and capitalism.
bttt on Obama
The first can be refuted by simply considering the Founders' POV. I find it very hard to believe any would accept the position that an enemy must first be declared and known. If that were the case, then wholesale insurrection and other unlawful activities committed by previously unknown domestic enemies would therefore be immune from the stated constitutional stipulations.
Two, as was evidenced by the collaborators executed for conspiracy to assassinate Lincoln, a coordinated attempt to unlawfully murder, overthrow or otherwise disrupt the legally mandated US government can be - and has been - subject to military law.
This is the position Trump needs to take: The coup attempt was a coordinated conspiracy by enemies of the constitution, as comprised by Obama and his former team, to unlawfully overthrow the government of the USA. And two, military tribunals are the proper and correct venues to prosecute this illegal conduct of the aforementioned parties as a de facto declaration of war against the American people.
You’re once - twice - Five Eyes a’FISA. And I lo-o-ove yoou...
18 U.S. Code § 8239;2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
U.S. Code---Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State,Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof---
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 8239;2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 8239;330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
Don’t forget New Zealand, the place visited most often by the actors in this play.
These people better not get off.
Here's an example of a treason prosecution that would fall apart very quickly for obvious reasons ...
Suppose it was 2016, and it was learned shortly after Election Day that Donald Trump and his senior campaign leaders DID conspire with the Russian government -- not only to "meddle" in the 2016 election, but to actually rig it ... by using Russian intelligence methods to hack voting machines and change results, for example.
Now they'd all be guilty of a whole lot of crimes, but TREASON wouldn't be one of them. Here's why:
If Donald Trump is a defendant in a Federal court in 2018 on a treason charge, the first thing his lawyer are going to do is make a very compelling case that Russia doesn't even meet any objective definition of an "enemy" of the U.S.
Here's the case laid out right here in a satirical piece I posted last year:
BREAKING NEWS: Three U.S. Military Personnel Under Investigation for Collaborating with the Russians
Seriously ... someone in the position of a Federal prosecutor is going to explain how the Russians are an "enemy" of the United States -- even while the U.S. has had its military personnel taking orders from RUSSIAN MILITARY OFFICERS for years?
Forget it. LOL.
“Investigate the FISA judges. They HAD to be in with the deep state.”
It’s the only thing that makes sense.
Deep State Conspirators Shared Unmasked Targets With Foreign Intelligence Services
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3739790/posts?page=1
For example, where does your argument stand with respect to Lincoln's decisions and actions during CWI? What precedent, in term of cases, incidents or other civil disruptions, guided Lincoln leadership during that conflict?
More relevant, however, is considering Trump's actual position in relationship to the first instance of an extant administration conspiring against a presidential candidate. And not only that, but then collaborating with electors to thwart having him seated, and then subsequently mounting an unlawful attack with internal state apparatus engaged in a legal coup?
The answer of course is that there aren't any preceding instances, therefore this is completely virgin territory where decisions will be made by those who have the power to establish and enforce original principle(s).
You're a very good and logical thinker/poster, but I believe you're doing yourself a disfavor here. By insisting on standing on established precedence, and then continuing to point to the courts as if they have ultimate power denies both theory and practical reality.
Lastly, I cannot believe you advanced a hypothetical as support for your position. You're way too experienced and clever for that- that's auto forfeit in debate 101; what's going on?
“In a 70-page motion to the court dated April 23, 2012, the Obama administration asked to modify ...” law.
Gee, I thought the Legislature wrote, and modified, laws.
The Obama administration thought the Executive and the Judiciary did.
Thx for the link.
“The CIA has shared info with friendly foreign intelligence agencies since their birth - and visa versa.”
Secretly, and in violation of US law that clearly prohibits them from domestic spying. The early CIA came up with this evasion of the law. It was never a treaty or legal agreement. It is no more legal than if the CIA hired Blackwater to spy on Americans so they could claim their hands were clean.
It’s un-American for a US intel agency to hire a foreign government to spy on US citizens. To paraphrase Andy Jackson, “the CIA is a damned nest of vipers”.
“There’s no law in the US against England spying on us or the information we give them privileged access to. We even ask them to tell us what they found while spying,”
That is a conspiracy to evade US law. Under the law, constructively, the CIA is still spying on Americans. The Five eye agreement was never approved by legislation or by treaty. It was a shady hidden Dulles deal to get around US law that clearly prohibited them from spying on Americans. It didn’t mean they could conclude secret deals to subcontract the job.
“...prohibits them from domestic spying.....”
Yes, and when domestic spying is involved, the CIA will tell you that is only as an extension of foreign espionage, that they are linked. I have heard it before, in my younger years.
Exactly...
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BTTT!
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the facts laid out:
18 U.S. Code § 8239;2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
hat tip to Liz
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