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Trump administration nearly doubles H-2B guest visa program, which brings many Mexican workers
SF Gate ^ | 4/6/19 | Heather Long

Posted on 04/07/2019 11:01:06 AM PDT by proust

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To: Innovative
There really are many jobs that “Americans” won’t do at the wages being offered.

Fixed it for you. It is called supply and demand.

61 posted on 04/07/2019 4:22:23 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rrrod
Employers on the space coast are really hurting for employees and refuse to raise wages to get the type of employees they want.

Fixed it.

62 posted on 04/07/2019 4:24:39 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Innovative

You do realize that lettuce costs .25 to pick and pack. You could increase wages drastically and it would only translate to a few pennys on the dollar at the market?


63 posted on 04/07/2019 4:27:03 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: NobleFree

So you think a picker at $30.00 would pick one pint per hour? Really?


64 posted on 04/07/2019 4:27:56 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
No - but I didn't feel like arguing the number, so I cut to the point that "cheap" labor isn't.
65 posted on 04/07/2019 4:45:56 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Don’t play their game. When they say $30.00 come back and say why not $50.00? Why not $100.00/ pint? Show them how ridiculous they are.


66 posted on 04/07/2019 4:49:58 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I’ve stopped buying wetback picked fruit sand veggies.

I don’t buy produce grown in Mexico. This time of year you can still find tomatoes that are grown hydroponically, as well as other produce grown in the same manner. Will buy produce grown in CA, but am increasingly leery.

67 posted on 04/07/2019 4:59:07 PM PDT by Fury
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To: NobleFree

>>>There is no job Americans won’t do - for the right price. Work visas are welfare for corporations, with American workers getting stuck with the bill.

Apparently, they won’t work for the Trump Organization. They have been using H2Bs at their resorts for years.


68 posted on 04/07/2019 9:10:53 PM PDT by oincobx
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To: proust

And? You are aware there are far more jobs going unfilled than the visas will take care of.....right?


69 posted on 04/08/2019 4:09:05 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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“With the additional visas, the Trump administration is on track to grant 96,000 H-2B visas this fiscal year, the most since 2007, when George W. Bush was president.”

And? You are aware there are far more jobs going unfilled than the visas will take care of.....right?

Every work visa represents a job not taken by an American, contrary at least in spirit to the President's previous words about 'hiring American.'

70 posted on 04/08/2019 7:09:03 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Do most visa workers just blend in and never leave?


71 posted on 04/08/2019 10:21:10 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda�Divide and conquer seems to be working.?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Every work visa issued means one less job for an American.

Do most visa workers just blend in and never leave?

Many do.

72 posted on 04/08/2019 11:00:04 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Then it should be discontinued!


73 posted on 04/08/2019 1:16:13 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda�Divide and conquer seems to be working.?)
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To: NobleFree

Still gotta look at the fact that there are a ton of available jobs with no takers....there really are jobs Americans just won’t do....the Left has made it so a whole couple generations prefer to beg for alms because we made the alms too generous....can only hire American if Americans want to be hired...


74 posted on 04/09/2019 2:33:18 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: trebb
there are a ton of available jobs with no takers

at the wages currently being offered.

the Left has made it so a whole couple generations prefer to beg for alms because we made the alms too generous

The answer is not to depress Americans' employment and wages with foreign workers.

75 posted on 04/09/2019 5:21:55 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

So, how much are all them empty jobs supposed to be worth? The “at those wages” meme falls right into the minimum wage of $15 and even higher meme.


76 posted on 04/09/2019 6:01:32 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: trebb
So, how much are all them empty jobs supposed to be worth?

Meaningless question - the only meaningful ones are: how much is an employer willing to pay to have the position filled rather than unfilled, and how little is an employee willing to accept to do the job rather than not do it. The answer to the latter appears to be: not as little as is currently being offered.

The “at those wages” meme falls right into the minimum wage of $15 and even higher meme.

Opposite - some employers' apparent sense of being entitled to get employees (American or foreign) at low wages is a close parallel to some employees' sense of being entitled to some minimum wage. "At those wages" is simple supply and demand.

77 posted on 04/09/2019 7:01:09 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

I guess if MacDonalds starts paying $20/hour, then they might be able to hold more people...of course, higher wages to pay folks more than they’re worth also causes inflation...many entry level jobs are lower because the return for the employee is not enough to justify higher wages...reminds me of a story:

A man was interviewing for a job at a country store and the prospective employer said he seemed OK so he could start the next day to see how he worked out. The prospective employee asked how much the job paid. The employer said, “I’ll pay you what you’re worth.
The employee said, I can’t live on that.”

Fact is that entry level should be lower and let those who show some work ethic move to higher, better paying positions/status. Claiming it’s mainly stingy employers is a cop out.


78 posted on 04/09/2019 10:08:31 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: trebb
higher wages to pay folks more than they’re worth

Straw man - nobody here supports paying folks more than they’re worth, but I and others do oppose bringing in Third World workers in order to avoid paying Americans what they're worth.

Fact is that entry level should be lower and let those who show some work ethic move to higher, better paying positions/status.

Temporary visa workers can't move up the ladder - only Americans can do that, if not blocked from those lowest rungs by foreigners.

79 posted on 04/09/2019 10:27:38 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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