Posted on 05/22/2019 10:12:09 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Thanks for the reply. I can understand that property tax has been treated differently from income tax. But I think the Founding Fathers would feel betrayed by the government’s efforts to chip away at the 4th amendment. And it’s getting worse unless we start pushing back.
I don't know on that one, meaning I'm really open to the idea that the founders would have thought tax matters to be public. Votes used to be public, no secret ballot.
-- And it's getting worse unless we start pushing back. --
So far, the pushing back isn't working for squat. FedGove has gone out of control since the early 1900's, and "pushing back" just makes them angry, strounger, and more vindictive. And bear in mind that all the outrage at snooping is how much the government is entitled to look at AFTER it takes it. If you expect the government to respect your privacy, it is YOU who has an unreasonable expectation. The only place that plays is criminal court.
You could make a case that the 4th amendment is dead, since nobody has seriously fought the abuse since the Patriot Act. The Dems and ACLU have done a 180.
Barr's efforts suggest that there is hope. But if nobody backs him that too will fail. Maybe it's too late to save the Constitution. Just getting FISA under control would be extremely difficult, especially with Roberts in charge.
Maybe you think I am getting off topic here, but I think it all connects.
You call it abuse, the government calls it protecting the public.
Barr's inquiry goes to use of the government apparatus (keep in mind the attack on the election was a made-up accusation), in cooperation with the press, to turn an election. That's a narrow abuse. IOW, if the government want to get YOU, outside of election process, Barr isn't looking there.
As for FISA, it is not a restriction on government abuse, it enables government abuse and pays the players (the executive and the courts both) a bonus to perpetrate it.
Yep. Totally fake news.
I don't see how the way the government operates today is constitutional. Maybe the Founders would think that income taxes are not covered, but looks like the 4th amendment does not say "except for income tax returns."
Agree! 9/11 hysteria plus tech spying advances plus Bush/Obama. Ask Bill Binney.
That said, the FedGov today is so far out of constitutional boundaries, that the constitution is a dead letter.
My bad...
The tax returns may be a different matter since they get filed with the feds anyway. But the rest of the docs they want would seem to be private and that implicateds the Fourth Amendment.
Written, I presume, by Lois Lerner?
Seems to be anonymous. Might not be anybody in IRS for all we know. There is a federal law that says Animal House can force the Secretary to reveal the tax returns of anybody (see post above), but I don’t know if that law is Constitutional.
The IRS has full power to do audits. 26 USC 6103 gives Animal House access to ANY taxpayer’s returns. Is it a good thing for Nadler to have our tax returns too? Maybe congress should amend that law, since its only uses I can see are political harrassment (against conservatives), propaganda, fundraising, and pushing impeachment for no good reason.
Congress has the power to see them. But do they have the power to release them to the public?
Did Comey have the “power” to leak to the media?
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