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To: Shadow44

[Al-Qaeda is a Saudi proxy army. It was made up of mujahedeen which nobody disputes were Saudi proxies, and Bin Laden’s family is tied to the hip of the Saudi Royal Family. Then suddenly 9/11 happens and Al-Qaeda hates the Saudi government, despite being armed and funding to engage in advancing the same geo-strategic interests and receiving continuous support from the Saudi government.]


The neocons who advanced this argument are full of crap. And when I say neocons, I don’t mean Jews. I mean people who think inside every foreigner is an American struggling to get out, and one man one vote will usher in American-style democracy. In Egypt, they did that and they got the al Qaeda’s civilian wing (the Muslim Brotherhood) ruling the country. My point being that people have different customs and traditions handed down from generation to generation, along with mother’s milk, that have nothing to do with our narratives or even the ruling government’s narratives. Look at how quickly the Soviet Union devolved into over a dozen countries despite over a hundred years of Russification efforts, enforced with gulags that killed tens of millions and forcible relocation efforts that took troublesome minorities thousands of miles from their ancestral lands.

Arabs don’t take their marching orders from the government. That’s why they make such lousy soldiers, from the perspective of the ruler. Nobody wants to die for the leader - everyone wants to be last man standing. Read a Middle Eastern history book about all the different regimes that have come and gone and it’s full of intra-regime intrigue - fathers killing sons, siblings killing siblings, sons killing fathers, grand viziers killing sultans, generals rising in revolt, etc.

The idea that the Saudi royals are feeding their subjects Wahhabism and making them radical rather than singing along to avoid being killed is a joke. In these places, every man thinks he could be sultan, and pointing to the irreligion of the incumbents is an excellent way to rally followers and raise the flag of revolt.


33 posted on 05/24/2019 4:07:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The idea that the Saudi royals are feeding their subjects Wahhabism and making them radical rather than singing along to avoid being killed is a joke. The Saudis did radicalize their subjects. They drove out the Hashemites when they conquered Mecca and imposed Wahabbism. And they have spent billions of dollars promoting Wahabbism across the globe.The Sauds were the original patrons of Al-Wahhab himself. I'm not suggesting Arabs would be like Europeans if the Saudis were overthrown, but there's not much daylight between Al-Qaeda and the Saudi government. They have been proxies for them for years.
35 posted on 05/24/2019 4:21:28 PM PDT by Shadow44
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