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To: Sontagged

The first No. Vietnamese attack in the Gulf of Tonkin was real. Hanoi admitted it and even featured a torpedo in their War Museum in Hanoi like the ones used in that attack.

The torpedo and its sign was photographed by Prof. Ed. Moise, a leftist liberal, during one of his trips to No. Vietnam. After he published it, they took the exhibit down.

DUH!!!

There are some real questions as to whether there was a second attack, or just radar imaging problems. I think LBJ screwed up on that one and the rest is history.


117 posted on 06/13/2019 11:42:21 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Navy personal know what happens if they get caught lying in this situation. Hard core justice. They would only lie if ordered by the President, IMHO. So this has to be taken seriously for now.


119 posted on 06/13/2019 11:53:22 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Lazmataz wrote:

“LBJ didn’t screw up, he (and others) acted in bad faith.

From the US Naval Institute:

The Truth About Tonkin: Questions about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents have persisted for more than 40 years. But once-classified documents and tapes released in the past several years, combined with previously uncovered facts, make clear that high government officials distorted facts and deceived the American public about events that led to full U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

So yeah, in this age where seamless videos can be produced that have people saying things they never said, yyyyyeeeeeahhhhh it is a good idea to have skepticism. Especially when the government asserts something.”

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Nuff said.


133 posted on 06/14/2019 1:43:42 AM PDT by Sontagged ("The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork." -Psalm 19:1)
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