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To: Oldexpat; Sontagged; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Sontagged The first No. Vietnamese attack in the Gulf of Tonkin was real. Hanoi admitted it and even featured a torpedo in their War Museum in Hanoi like the ones used in that attack. The torpedo and its sign was photographed by Prof. Ed. Moise, a leftist liberal, during one of his trips to No. Vietnam. After he published it, they took the exhibit down. DUH!!! There are some real questions as to whether there was a second attack, or just radar imaging problems. I think LBJ screwed up on that one and the rest is history.

LBJ didn't screw up, he (and others) acted in bad faith.

From the US Naval Institute:

The Truth About Tonkin: Questions about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents have persisted for more than 40 years. But once-classified documents and tapes released in the past several years, combined with previously uncovered facts, make clear that high government officials distorted facts and deceived the American public about events that led to full U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

So yeah, in this age where seamless videos can be produced that have people saying things they never said, yyyyyeeeeeahhhhh it is a good idea to have skepticism. Especially when the government asserts something.

125 posted on 06/14/2019 12:20:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: Lazamataz

Lazmataz wrote: “.......LBJ didn’t screw up, he (and others) acted in bad faith.

From the US Naval Institute:

The Truth About Tonkin: Questions about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents have persisted for more than 40 years. But once-classified documents and tapes released in the past several years, combined with previously uncovered facts, make clear that high government officials distorted facts and deceived the American public about events that led to full U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

So yeah, in this age where seamless videos can be produced that have people saying things they never said, yyyyyeeeeeahhhhh it is a good idea to have skepticism. Especially when the government asserts something....”

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Thanks Laz for waking up conservatives to the fact that Elites in the Deep State have every opportunity and motive to fake military situations.

We are way too trusting.

Judeo Christian conservatives are to be “as wise as serpents but as meek as doves”

... and we always forget the first part.


132 posted on 06/14/2019 1:42:37 AM PDT by Sontagged ("The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork." -Psalm 19:1)
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