the doc is a moron for letting the patient dictate what prescription he gets... sounds like all the docs handing out narcotics like candy until they were sued and jailed
Posted on 07/21/2019 10:34:42 AM PDT by Kaslin
About 15 years ago, I convinced one of my doctors to prescribe some generic Wellbutrin (bupropion XL ) for me. The product had been advertised as a game changer for depression. My doctor, at that time, was reluctant at first; but he eventually succumbed to my repeated requests and wrote the prescription.
Now, unlike many people, I actually read some of the warning fliers that come with medicines. Bupropion had an interesting list of precautions, along the lines of: if thoughts of suicide or violence occur, call your doctor right away.
That warning jumped out at me.
One might go to sleep waiting for the medicine’s effect to kick in, like Dr. Jekyll, and wake up as Mr. Hyde. The problem is that in a Mr. Hyde operating state, one may not be predisposed to call the doctor for advice. True, this may not happen to most people, but it happens to enough to be newsworthy.
Antidepressants have been linked to 28 reports of murder and 32 cases of murderous thoughts, in cases referred to the UK medicines regulator over the past 30 years, a BBC investigation has discovered. -- The Telegraph
So I decided not to chance things. I did not take the drug after all. When I told my doctor -- who had been reluctant to begin with -- he was happy. I had made the right choice. I tossed the pills out, years ago.
No doubt, many are aware how often school shooters are on psychiatric medications.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
It's like calling the cops: dialer beware.
Are the antidepressant a cause or is it because they are administered too little or too late.
“Antidepressants have been linked to 28 reports of murder and 32 cases of murderous thoughts, in cases referred to the UK medicines regulator over the past 30 years, a BBC “
Linked? How? Scientific evidence please.
28 murders in 30 years? They have that every couple of weeks in Chicago. And are they suggesting that the murders wouldn’t have happened absent the drugs?
32 cases of murderous thoughts in 30 fricken years? I have that many everyday.
Drivel.
Many many years ago I was given Ambien which is a sleeping pill.
They worked great the first night. 8/hrs of complete sleep. Also no dreams.
The next days I had fewer hours of sleep and weird weird dreams. I stopped using it within the week. The withdrawals were fitful sleep for maybe 3 days.
Another person I know had same reaction.
I switched to melatonin which has no withdrawals when you stop using it. The cure for me was to change my diet and I get a better night sleep.
Do a search on: Ambien weird dreams
I tried using welbutrin to quit smoking years ago...thats when i discovered its suicidal side effect. I quit taking it and put it on my list of meds with allery or bad effects
Then there are other antidepressants that cause heart disease as one ages..like celexa.
Many antidepressants work well as long as they’re taken, but if suddenly withdrawn, can create such brain changes as to become very violent. Some people do experience personality changes, and do things they might otherwise not do.
It’s a hit or miss thing with meds in general. There are even pain meds that can make a person suicidal.
The problem is that you no longer have doctor/patient privacy privilege so anything you say has to go on record or reported to police by your doctor.
The other day I drank some really good tequila. Slept like a baby that night.
On another day, I breathed air, that night I dreamed about killing the SOB that won the lottery instead of me.
Guess I should drink more tequila and breathe less air?
Every week here, actually, when it’s really bad. Summers and holidays, typically.
There is no perfect formula for psychiatric medications, because everyone’s biology is different. You have to experiment. Even then, one drug may not work as well as another, and they don’t work at 100% until about two months have passed and your brain chemistry is altered. They don’t work overnight.
Psychologically healthy people don’t take a gun and willfully murder others outside of wartime or self-defense/defense of others. If anything, this confirms a link of mental illness to violent behavior, and because mental illness is treated with these meds, the studies cited by the author made the assumption that the drugs were at fault. Correlation is not causation.
While anti-depressants can cause imbalances, as they do alter brain chemistry, they often subside as your body adjusts. Sometimes they do not, and the medication needs to change. If the person wants to deal with depression over the drug, that is their choice entirely. I also add that anti-depressants should never be used to treat short-term, general malaise, and that I’d never take them for such.
Usually shooters or violent perpetrators have multiple psych issues and are on a cocktail, or should have been. It’s also difficult to deal with young kids who exhibit rage issues, because their brains are still developing, and drugs may exacerbate issues as time goes on. It’s a razor’s edge there, and very close supervision is required in such circumstances. That supervision didn’t exist in most shooter situations.
When I was a teen, and we found out I was ill (physically, not psychologically), I was on antidepressants for awhile. I didn’t have negative reactions to them, but perhaps I was fortunate.
I’ve been on Ambien for over ten years. Without it, I don’t sleep at all, mostly due to the other drugs I take. Prograf causes horrible insomnia, and the dialysis was worse. 60-80% (depending on the study) of dialysis patients have chronic insomnia.
There is a new drug out which acts differently, and slows the wake cycle of your brain instead of supercharging your sleep cycle. Didn’t work for me. It was also extremely expensive, which was a problem. It probably will work out better long-term for people who have never taken a hypnotic like Zolpidem.
My dreams are incredibly vivid, occasionally strange, but normally follow a strict script. I believe some of that had to do with my hobbies, which are very centered in story writing. I have also been known to engage my husband physically and not remember it, but that hasn’t happened in about six years, and was rare to begin with. He told my of five occasions, confirming why I felt sore. He said he thought I was awake, because I wasn’t acting suspiciously. Sleep paralysis happens too, but that’s easy to deal with.
All drugs have side-effects, especially those which affect the brain. I was aware of the possibilities, but living on an hour of sleep each night was not helping my health. I also have chronic insomnia. Much like depression, these powerful drugs shouldn’t be treating short-term and stress-related insomnia. If you don’t have a chronic illness affecting your sleep, don’t take it.
the doc is a moron for letting the patient dictate what prescription he gets... sounds like all the docs handing out narcotics like candy until they were sued and jailed
I tossed some pain killers after doing research. Scary side affects and used for a long list of mental disorders. No thanks.
Depression and suicide.
People who profoundly depressed have not much ability to anything. They lie on the couch and have no motivation.
Enter antidepressent
People often are more active physically when first taking an antidepressent. The physical symtpoms often improve before the emotional symtpoms.
So then one has a person who is still emotionally profoundly depressed and in emotional pain.
But now:
They are able to be physically active and do things...like kill themselves.
Big conundrum with the profoundly depressed.
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ambien sometimes provides weird dreams.
Melatonin can produce vivid dreams in some.
Note to author of this piece: Everyone knows that anti-depressants may cause suicidal or homicidal ideation.
This has been known since the late 1980's.
You ain't that smart or unique, dude.
Mrs. Catnipman scared the crap out of me a couple of nights ago when she starting yelling in her sleep. I woke her and she said she was having a horrible nightmare about someone trying to kill her.
The next morning we thought about what might be different because she usually has good dreams, and realized she had just started taking Zyrtec, and sure enough when we looked it up, a significant side-effect can be “disturbed sleep and nightmares” ...
“Many antidepressants work well as long as they’re taken, but if suddenly withdrawn, can create such brain changes as to become very violent”
Definitely can happen, on any sudden level change..starting with too high of a dose, abruptly stopping, or dosage change. I myself kicked in a dresser drawer leading to a week of work repairing it...and a slightly sore foot. Now I am a real believer in conservatively titrated dosage changes!
Interesting, the AD I’m on now — Effexor/venlafaxine — is very potent and known for horrible discontinuation symptoms. Oddly, although I have stopped it twice, it didn’t do that to me at all. Just got badly depressed again. Maybe it was the three-month tapering down that gave me the soft landings!
I can’t take melatonin. It made me terribly depressed and weepy plus headaches. This was only 2 mg.
Some people claim to have to gradually reduce the dose over a year or more to avoid discontinuation syndrome. I don’t, but then some people take much higher doses than I do, so it is possible they are right.
One is to remember basic math. 60 total “links” to murders and murderous thoughts is basically nothing for a widely used drug that’s been around a long time. There’s probably been a couple of people on the drug that won the lottery too, low probability things happen. Those warning labels don’t mean you have a high probability, it just means it’s been recorded at least once and might not even be cause by it, or exclusively by it. I generally only read the warning labels if something weird starts happening, don’t want to placebo myself.
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