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To: Kalamata; freedumb2003; bwest
Kalamata: "The created kind is a specific scientific term, corresponding in general to the taxonomic rank of family, but without all the evolutionism baggage. "

By definition "the created kind" is a non-scientific term referring to supernatural creation, and therefore has no place in natural-science.

The taxonomic rank of family goes back to the 1700s and refers to genera with similar characteristics, but there is no strict definition:

An example of a taxonomic family is Bovidae, meaning cattle & related.
The Bovidae family includes:
  1. eight sub-families with
  2. 51 genera which have
  3. 143 living species plus
  4. 300 known extinct species identified by fossils dated as far back as
  5. 20 million years ago.
Bovidae as a group would appear to have no correlation to biblical "kinds".
Here are six species (of 143) of the bovids' family:

97 posted on 08/10/2019 8:15:24 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK
non-scientific term referring to supernatural creation, and therefore has no place in natural-science.

Very well, but you can't begin with the supposition of naturalism without making that choice.

Likewise, it is not unreasonable to admit supernatural causes while engaged in science.

100 posted on 08/10/2019 8:29:45 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: BroJoeK

>>By definition “the created kind” is a non-scientific term referring to supernatural creation, and therefore has no place in natural-science.


Baloney. The created kind has been a part of natural science from the beginning of creation. Atheists have tried to erase it from the ranks of science, but they have failed, and failed miserably.

>>The taxonomic rank of family goes back to the 1700s and refers to genera with similar characteristics, but there is no strict definition.


True. That is the new-fangled definition imagined by Linnaeus, which is still subject to the imagination of the user.

On the other hand, Children can typically understand the created kind. In his great work, “Natural Theology”, William Paley mentioned several kinds, such as the Lizard kind, Cat kind, and Deer kind:

“To say nothing of the reproduction of limbs in crustaceous animals, the wonderful but well attested fact, of the formation of a new eye in an animal of the lizard kind, in the place of one which had been cut out of the socket, is one which no atheistical theory can approach, in the way of explanation.” [William Paley, “Natural Theology.” Sheldon & Company, 1879, FN, p.33]

“In the cat kind there is a horny or prickly set covering the tongue, rendering it rough, and enabling it to take firmer hold of the prey. Birds also have a similar contrivance. In fish the tongue is covered by a number of teeth, serving the same purpose.” [Ibid. FN, pp.80-81]

“The different length of the intestines in carnivorous and herbivorous animals, has been noticed on a former occasion. The shortest, I believe, is that of some birds of prey, in which the intestinal canal is little more than a straight passage from the mouth to the vent. The longest is in the deer kind.” [Ibid. p.131]

I doubt any scientist of his day did not understand what Paley was referring to; and I doubt any serious scientist today does not understand that the created kind is what is typically called the “family”.

Mr. Kalamata


104 posted on 08/10/2019 9:01:30 AM PDT by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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