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Same thing over here.

This is not looking stable at all.

1 posted on 08/14/2019 5:00:12 AM PDT by Carriage Hill
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One day of an inversion is not a recession indicator. Give it two weeks or a month, and then it will be indicative.

Plus...the stock market is NOT the economy.


2 posted on 08/14/2019 5:02:31 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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It’s time to start talking down the economy. The powers that be want to blame something on Trump. Get people despairing and ready for a change.


3 posted on 08/14/2019 5:02:36 AM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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turned negative for the first time since 2007.

What color did it turn when BHO was in office?

4 posted on 08/14/2019 5:03:12 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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Early Wednesday, the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note was at 1.623%, below the 2-year yield at 1.634%. The last inversion of this part of the yield curve was in December 2005, two years before a recession brought on by the financial crisis hit.

If the event signaled by this indicator sometimes occurred TWO YEARS LATER, then is it really an indicator at all? That's eight quarters worth of GDP figures there.

If I bet on one NFL game every week next season, nobody is going to call me a football expert if it takes me up to eight weeks to win a single bet.

6 posted on 08/14/2019 5:05:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: carriage_hill

With energy prices low and taxes down I’m still feeling pretty optimistic.


8 posted on 08/14/2019 5:09:31 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: carriage_hill

I bet all the liberal pundits are giddy.


12 posted on 08/14/2019 5:14:21 AM PDT by Garvin (It was just all fun and games until a .45 ACP shows up.)
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My guy at Fidelity told me last year that they are planning on a recession in 2020. Planning? I asked. Yeah, it’s inevitable, is what I was told. Hmm, election, is what I thought.


14 posted on 08/14/2019 5:18:08 AM PDT by rhombus10
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To: carriage_hill

I think everything is going to be O.K. If markets and economics could be predicted there would be a shortage of 100 foot yachts.


15 posted on 08/14/2019 5:19:32 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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They’re trained that there MUST always be a recession after a decent growth period. What they’re not trained in is the effect of external political develops on creating recessions. Consider:

1a) Early 1970s - Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Civil Rights Act (a bit earlier, but kicking in), Arab Oil Embargo
1b) Mid to late 1970s - Economy crashes

2a) Early 1980s - Reagan-style Deregulation
2b) Mid 1980s - Economy grows like mad

3a) Early 1990 - Kinder, Gentler, America results in massively expensive updates to the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts, the Wheelchair Act, and more Civil Rights stuff
3b) 1992 - Worst economy in the last 50 years (not quite that bad, but yes, a recession)
3c) Mid 1990s - Economy left alone - grows strongly

...so now:

Late 2010’s: Massive deregulation and other pro-business policies
2020: Take a guess.


18 posted on 08/14/2019 5:23:33 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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Oh it’s going south there is way too much junk food in the lunch room at work for the engineers. It gets like this before a big crash. At least the last two times


20 posted on 08/14/2019 5:31:36 AM PDT by datricker (Cut Taxes Repeal ACA Deport DACA - Americans First, Build the Wall, Lock her up MAGA!)
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The recession is not scheduled for another 6 to 8 months to be ripe for the election. These things require careful planning - - George S.


22 posted on 08/14/2019 5:38:47 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (He, had the best mom - ever.)
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There may have been an inversion before every recession but there hasn't been a recession after every inversion.

As they say, the yield curve inversion has predicted 11 of the last 6 recessions.

23 posted on 08/14/2019 5:41:06 AM PDT by semimojo
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Trade wars are good and easy to win.


24 posted on 08/14/2019 5:43:40 AM PDT by babble-on ("moderation is best in all things" - Hesiod)
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I’m not an economics expert by any means, but I do know something about algorithms. Algorithms, like those used by Google, the Global Warming alarmists and others, can be developed to deliver intended outcomes. In the case of the two aforementioned examples, they do so very, very well.


30 posted on 08/14/2019 5:50:40 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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An inverted yield curve means the Federal Reserve has manipulated short term rates way above what the market would charge.

For an animation of the manipulation go here:

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/yieldcurve.php

Amazingly, many FReepers support such manipulation by the Ivy League elites and are against the market.


34 posted on 08/14/2019 6:00:26 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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I remember my brother, back in the early 80’s telling me that Reagan was going to die in office because every president elected in a year ending in zero died in office.

Except he didn’t. The sampling was too low making the “empirical” data really anecdotal.

I’m not saying this will not happen, but that “always being right” regarding something that doesn’t happen is really only anecdotal.

I’ve been at a roulette table where black came up 27 times in a row. But the 28th time you would have lost if you bet on black.


35 posted on 08/14/2019 6:02:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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Has anyone considered that when this thing goes red everyone reacts to that causing the outcome that makes it correct? What would happen if it was just ignored? Black tape over the red light and it is still running fine...


36 posted on 08/14/2019 6:08:35 AM PDT by Openurmind
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Not if it is artificially negative. The economy hasn’t made it negative. The Fed did. The rush to safety by foreigners hasn’t helped the situation. The economy needs more money for growth. Time to open up the spicket.


37 posted on 08/14/2019 6:24:31 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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Oh shut up!

Tell the UN to lambast China for its aggressive stance towards the people of Hong Kong! China is violating human rights!


39 posted on 08/14/2019 6:25:32 AM PDT by Lopeover (We Are #TRUMPSTRONG)
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The Conference Board Leading Economic Index® (LEI) for the U.S. Declined in June Index Points to Moderation in Growth in Second Half
40 posted on 08/14/2019 6:28:19 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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