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Studies paid for by the camera companies or governments usually show fewer accidents. Independent studies and those financed by opponents usually show no gains and sometimes worse results.
1 posted on 08/18/2019 10:57:14 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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Longer yellow and all-way red times have been shown to significantly reduce accidents.

Sometimes local governments actually decrease yellow-light timing to catch more red-light runners, a result of the perverse financial incentives that tempt government officials and camera companies.

Studies also show motorists are more likely to hit the brakes hard at camera-enforced intersections, increasing rear-end collisions.


2 posted on 08/18/2019 10:58:03 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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Wait, red lights or red flags undermine the rule of law. 🎀
4 posted on 08/18/2019 11:01:20 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Don’t want a traffic ticket? Don’t break the law. I would hate to count the times my family and I have almost been killed by red light runners. And many innocent folks have paid the ultimate price.

Our local community removed red light cameras from a notorious intersection after an outcry by citizens. A week later a young mother and two children were killed in that same intersection. Yep, he ran a red light.


7 posted on 08/18/2019 11:03:43 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (He who lacks the will does not need the ability.)
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So does all public surveillance.

We the people did not vote to be surveiled.


8 posted on 08/18/2019 11:04:07 AM PDT by Eddie01
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I am opposed to the cameras. That being stated: I am not an attorney and I did not stay in a Holiday Inn last night, but if someone’s home camera sees a crime they can be prosecuted. Facing their accuser which is the homeowner. For lights - its the government. Could easily be missing something though.


9 posted on 08/18/2019 11:04:19 AM PDT by week 71
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These cameras often have some level of public support when first installed, due to people thinking that they really will improve public safety.

But then, when they start sending out ‘tickets’ like candy in a day care center, the public ALWAYS shifts to wanting them out.

If they don’t go out, it means ONE THING, and one thing only, the people preventing their removal are simply on the take (usually local governments), and they should be investigated as such. In fact, approving them in the first, given what is now known, should also be investigated.


10 posted on 08/18/2019 11:07:27 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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Oh right we have so much law anyway;
Here law there law everywhere a rule
Of law for me but not for thee

But its not somalia yet so rejoice


19 posted on 08/18/2019 11:24:27 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19 (Game over, man! Game over!)
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The Great State of Texas has already eliminated these devices.
29 posted on 08/18/2019 11:39:10 AM PDT by Company Man (SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED)
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I was waiting to turn left at an intersection on July 4th several years ago. There were two lanes going left, and I was in the one that would result in me being in lane two after making the turn.

A car coming up to the intersection caught my eye, but as the light turned green and I rounded the turn, the guy blew through the intersection, and I hit him on his left rear quarter panel.

That SOB told his insurance agent that I sideswiped him, as in changing lanes recklessly.

It took my insurance company two different arbitration hearings before everyone came to the conclusion he was lying.

If I hadn’t provided photos of the damage, I would not have prevailed.

A traffic light would have clarified the issue in minutes.

It would be interesting to know how much this cost my insurance company to defend against his claims.


34 posted on 08/18/2019 11:43:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This space for rent.)
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This is how they handle them in europe and the UK:


47 posted on 08/18/2019 12:18:55 PM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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When red light camerss go up:

Angular “T-bone” collisions go down.
Rear end collisions go WAY up.


51 posted on 08/18/2019 12:22:19 PM PDT by lightman (Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
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For those not familiar with red light cameras, most of the money made is not due to actually nailing people running red lights, it is for the unpardonable sin of putting your front tire on or across the first white line of the pedestrian walk.

The favorite location is one where signs or vegetation blocks your view to the right so you have to pull forward to see to safely make a right turn. That will be $75.

Not to mention previous to red light cameras, when the fire truck came up behind a line of cars they would clear the intersection as it was safe to do so. Now they just plant until the light turns. I don’t blame them a bit.


59 posted on 08/18/2019 12:35:52 PM PDT by Clay Moore (You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.)
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My daughter got a ticket in the mail for running a red light. The picture showed her vehicle clearly stopped and brake lights on. She asked them why she got a ticket for running a red light when she clearly didn’t as shown in the picture. They told her it was because one front tire was on the white line, according to them that meant she was IN the intersection.

She paid the ticket because the process to fight them is difficult, set up to be impossible. If police officers ticketed as strictly as that, no one would tolerate it for long. That sort of enforcement is why people slam on their brakes at intersections with the cameras, because even inches of one tire into the intersection is considered running a red light. I can see why they have more rear end collisions.


68 posted on 08/18/2019 1:05:05 PM PDT by Tammy8
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Just don’t run red or orange lights

Cameras don’t lie - you just drive too aggressively !

Best thing to do is drive slow


70 posted on 08/18/2019 1:13:01 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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In Tennessee you can’t be forced to pay a ticket from a red light camera. They can’t ding your credit or take your Driver’s License or give you points. All they can do is send you letters and say scary sounding things. And the notices you get are all by first class mail so they have no proof you even received them.


74 posted on 08/18/2019 1:24:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where does it say in the Constitution anyone is entitled to the property another has labored for?)
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Red light camera companies pay the cities under the table to trim the yellow lights to 3 seconds or less in order to get more people to run red lights.

I wonder how many people have died or been seriously injured due to this dirty trick.
80 posted on 08/18/2019 1:37:31 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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$10,000 Ticket Camera Challenge

$10,000 Ticket Camera Challenge The National Motorists Association knows that engineering solutions are the real way to prevent red-light violations and accidents at problematic intersections.

In fact, we are willing to wager $10,000 to prove that engineering will work better than ticket cameras.

The revenue from ticket cameras serves as a reward to cities that fail to make motorists safer through proper signal timing, better signal design, and improved intersections.

The apparent increase in red-light violations is largely the result of a 20-year pattern of deliberately changing the standards for the timing of yellow lights. This is an engineering problem, not an enforcement issue. Today we say to the communities that employ ticket cameras, "Let's put traffic engineering solutions to the test."

Here's our challenge:

Show us any camera-equipped intersection that still has high numbers of straight-through red-light violations and we will guarantee a minimum 50-percent reduction in those red-light violations through the application of engineering solutions.

If our recommendations fail to meet our minimum goal, we will pay the community $10,000 to be used on any traffic safety program or project it chooses.

However, if we succeed, the community must employ our engineering-based recommendations at other troublesome intersections and scrap its ticket-camera program.

What do cities have to lose, other than their ticket-camera revenue?

If you have any questions about this challenge or you believe your community would be interested in participating, please contact the National Motorists Association at (608) 849-6000 or via email at nma@motorists.org.


81 posted on 08/18/2019 1:44:47 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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Red light, red flag, all that commie red stuff is just bad news.


93 posted on 08/18/2019 3:47:35 PM PDT by Boomer (Our melting pot has turned into a pressure cooker)
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You can tell when you are approaching a red light camera when you see all of the pieces of smashed cars laying all over. I have seen it with my own eyes.


94 posted on 08/18/2019 4:13:24 PM PDT by Trumpnado2016 (Welcome to Trump World.)
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” A possible explanation is that, as a national poll, most respondents do not live in a locality with red-light cameras since less than half the states allow them and not all jurisdictions in those states have them. “

So is this saying that not all jurisdictions that are in states that don’t have them don’t have them?

Is it the fluoride or is it me?


99 posted on 08/18/2019 4:51:41 PM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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