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Expert Breaks Down for AOC Why We Have The Electoral College
Townhall.com ^ | August 22, 2019 | Timothy Meads

Posted on 08/22/2019 9:36:08 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: ManHunter

Thanks. Please share it widely as we’re heading into the valley of the shadow of death of AMERICA, the IDEA, if these morons are not routed.

STALIN’S WARNING FOR AMERICA!
https://www.brighteon.com/6039981365001


41 posted on 08/22/2019 11:41:41 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: bitt; radu; mosaicwolf; Foolsgold; Jane Long; NFHale; null and void; Liz; Tilted Irish Kilt; ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJa7dYgo51g&feature=youtu.be

The Democrats review the new incoming Freshman pledges


42 posted on 08/22/2019 11:43:27 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Kaslin

She was clearly missing the point in that video. That farmland doesn’t have a lot of EC votes. The more populous states have greater representation. It is fair the way it is.


43 posted on 08/22/2019 11:57:01 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Kaslin
What people like Ocasio-Cortez mean when they say to abolish the Electoral College is that they wish to replace the United States of America with United America.

They want to eliminate the sovereignty of states and have only one land-mass government, headed by the President. However, that's not the Constitutional framework we operate under.

I wonder if people like Ocasio-Cortez believe that if they do away with the Constitution, the existing leaders can step into some void and take over rulership. They fail to remember that the states were founded by the Declaration of Independence and predate the Constitution. The states ordained and established the Constitution. If the Constitution is abolished, the states revert back to independent sovereign territories with no national unifying framework.

What may come of this is not necessarily what left-wing liberals imagine. In a post-constitution North America, there is nothing to stop, say, California from declaring itself an independent nation. It's possible that the south from Texas to Florida to the Carolinas could reform its own union. New England might follow, creating its own nation from Maine to Maryland. Canada might follow Trump's example and offer to buy Wisconsin, Minnesota or Washington.

We'd end up with a balkanization of North America instead of a United States ruled by liberals with no constitutional guardrails.

-PJ

44 posted on 08/22/2019 12:22:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Kaslin

She absolutely knows what she’s doing. She’s a good little soldier of the lefty commies. They are actively trying to break down the fiber of our constitution.


45 posted on 08/22/2019 12:32:58 PM PDT by Deplorable Debra (Bring it on.)
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To: Kaslin

she is so hawt


46 posted on 08/22/2019 12:43:22 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom Hi Dad)
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To: Kaslin; All

GREAT posts, embarrassing House.


47 posted on 08/22/2019 2:11:22 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: IrishBrigade

I was going to ask if you’d had your eyes checked lately but to be honest, she is not an unattractive person - IF ONLY SHE’D KEEP HER MOUTH SHUT....

WHAT may I ask is “kinda cute?”


48 posted on 08/22/2019 3:47:28 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Kaslin

In the early history of the U.S., most states allowed only white male adult property owners to vote.

That was the ‘becoming strong, prosperous and great’ part.


49 posted on 08/22/2019 3:50:50 PM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: o-n-money

That is funny!! Thanks for the laugh!!!!


50 posted on 08/22/2019 3:51:14 PM PDT by Exit148 ( (Loose Change Club founder) Put yours aside for the next Freepathon!110)
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To: Kaslin

AOC is not misinformed.

Leftists know exactly why we have an Electoral College and they hate it because it hinders their lust for power.


51 posted on 08/22/2019 3:52:40 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
<>The entire reason for the electoral college is to weaken the ability of large states to dominate small states.<>

That's the popular mythology. It's purpose was to elect an endless succession of George Washingtons.

The Framers' Electoral College.

52 posted on 08/22/2019 5:23:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

This is exactly right. Anyone who puts forth the argument the purpose of the Electoral College is to somehow balance large vs. small states, or urban vs. rural influence hasn’t read their Federalist.

The EC was established in order to put a - somewhat permeable - barrier between the will of the people, and the person of the President. The Framers felt the people should be listened to, but they could not be trusted to make the final judgement.

In Hamilton’s own words:

“It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. ...

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.”

The Electoral College that currently exists - one where Electors are more-or-less completely bound to choose whoever won the popular vote in their State - would horrify Hamilton, Jay, Jefferson, and the rest of the Framers.

Hamilton goes on to speak of the benefit of “this detached and divided situation” which would ensure “the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications;” and men with “talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity,” would never become President.

I wonder how Hamilton would feel about some of the men who have filled the Oval Office in the 20th and 21st Centuries.


53 posted on 08/22/2019 9:34:27 PM PDT by Taipei
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To: Kaslin

AOC is angry at the Electoral College because she couldn’t qualify to get in to it. Her Bartending grades were too low.


54 posted on 08/22/2019 11:01:39 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Taipei

Not one in a hundred Freepers understand the purpose of the EC.

Unfortunately, political parties corrupted the process. The Framers would freak at limiting the practical voting choices to one of two factional party leaders.

With rare exception, the first loyalty of modern presidents is to their party . . . then themselves . . . then, maybe the USA.

The Framers’ process, if followed, meant talented executives with great public virtue, and unburdened with political debts to pay. Men like GW and Donald Trump!


55 posted on 08/23/2019 2:02:04 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

To be fair, it was the Framers themselves who developped the two-party system: Adams, the Pickneys, Ames, and - to some extent - Washington being the Federalists and the Jefferson, Madison being the Democrat-Republicans.

While they did vote in substantially different ways - the splitting of the ticket between the top vote getters, for example - I don’t think they’d be overly horrified at the existence of the PARTIES.

I personally think it’s the calibre of the MEN which would horrify those early Americans.


56 posted on 08/23/2019 2:30:02 AM PDT by Taipei
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To: Taipei

Hmm. I’m currently reviewing the large v. small state electoral issue in my blog series “Shaping the Presidency.”

Yes, there was concern that qualified favorite sons from small states wouldn’t have much of a chance. BUT, this was a minor matter to address only AFTER the delegates dedicated themselves to a process that hopefully produced an endless succession of George Washingtons.

To give the small states a better chance when, as expected, most elections were decided in the House of Reps voting federally, one vote per state, Article II required electors cast two votes, and one of them had to be for someone outside their state.

But, the large v. small state issue soon fizzled out. From 1804 onward, thanks to the 12th Amendment, electors cast one vote for a President and another for a Vice President.

I just bought a used book, “Why the Electoral College is Bad for America” by George C. Edwards III (2004). Like AoC, he believes in majority popular rule in Presidential elections and fairly ignores the central purposes of the EC. Lots of otherwise educated people feel this way, as if more and more democracy is the cure for all ills. It isn’t. Democracy isn’t perfume. It is poison.


57 posted on 08/23/2019 2:33:33 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Taipei

I disagree to the extent that the Framers were very aware of factions, and did everything they could in their design to repulse this great enemy of republics.

Madison goes on at length about controlling factions in Federalist 10.


58 posted on 08/23/2019 2:37:02 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Taipei

If you review Federalist 10, you’ll see that the Federalists and Democrat-Republicans of the 1790s were not factional parties.


59 posted on 08/23/2019 2:41:20 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Kaslin
Since this bitch has no common sense and does not understand our constitution or our laws, the only way she can make her point is pull out the race card and whitey is bad.

FOAD

60 posted on 08/23/2019 2:43:37 AM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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