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You don't get to choose whether Brexit happens, Johnson tells MPs
The Guadian ^ | 8/26/2019 | Heather Stewart

Posted on 08/26/2019 6:27:03 AM PDT by KC Burke

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To: lodi90

I don’t think the IRA will bomb straight away - they’ll push for a reunification vote and they’ll get it - it’s like over 65% of northern ireland want reunification with the republic of ireland in the event of a hard brexit


21 posted on 08/26/2019 7:00:54 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: jdsteel
More like the east except Belfast

But even then, there's a lot of overlap. it's not a clean break anywhere

22 posted on 08/26/2019 7:03:16 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

It would be a shame if the crash didn’t happen on 31.October.2019 — all of the EU is waiting and hoping and praying that the UK doesn’t come up with a last minute beg to remain; they really can’t wait for the UK to make up it’s mind and leave


Nonsense, as usual. I have talked to friends in Europe and none of them are happy about UK leaving.

No doubt Germany fears UK leaving will trigger a broader discussion of the future of the EU. Now that the former Soviet Block EU countries are back on their feet it is a good time negotiate a more decentralized EU that is not dominated by German economic interests.


23 posted on 08/26/2019 7:05:04 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: mewzilla

heh heh - I thought you would :)

MEWGA - Ay hain’t harf knacker’d guv!


24 posted on 08/26/2019 7:05:13 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: mewzilla
Eh? Sorry, but I don’t know what you mean.

Nothing in the Treaty of Lisbon is designed to give any member state (save one) any advantage. It’s like how the USSR constitution gave no SSR save Russia (then called the RSFSR) any advantage. Now here is the text of Article 50:
  1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

  2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention.

    In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

  3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

  4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

    A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

  5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
See how the member state is left at a total disadvantage?
25 posted on 08/26/2019 7:07:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Cronos

I think efforts in Scotland for separation and efforts in Northern Ireland to do likewise existed long before Brexit and will continue regardless. Both have been a drain on the financial strength of England/Wales or downsized “UK” as you call it.

I am reading the new Robert Tombs overall history or England and his broad picture of Scotland’s avarice and opportunism is an interesting viewpoint


26 posted on 08/26/2019 7:07:36 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Cronos

Still at posting EUSSR propaganda, I see.

The Republic of Ireland has not existed since 1972.


27 posted on 08/26/2019 7:08:04 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Cronos

Irrelevant, since it was drafted by pro-EU left-wing Brits.


28 posted on 08/26/2019 7:10:08 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: lodi90
Did you even read what I wrote? all of the EU is waiting and hoping and praying that the UK doesn’t come up with a last minute beg to remain; -- people aren't happy with the UK deciding to leave, but they are fed up with the half-in-half-out and shenanigans over the past 6 months actually over the past 2 years.

The Attitude is "we are sad to see you go, but for heavens sake, make up your mind and either stay fully engaged or leave. Stop being a drama queen"

The thought process is that even if the UK decides now to stay, it will be at best half-hearted and will cause chaos down the line. Far better for a break

Boris knows that, and he knows that there will be a crash, so he's busy blaming everyone else before October 31

29 posted on 08/26/2019 7:10:30 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

Posting propaganda by UCD’s Karl Whelan too.


30 posted on 08/26/2019 7:12:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

it’s very relevant that it was written by Brits. And these weren’t pro-EU left-wing Brits any more than you are.


31 posted on 08/26/2019 7:14:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Eleutheria5

MAGA: Make Avalon Great Again.


32 posted on 08/26/2019 7:15:33 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (“They are openly planning to murder you. Prep if you want to live.”)
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To: Olog-hai

What is the EU gonna do if the UK refuses to cooperate?

That’s the great thing about going first. There’s no precedent to get in your way.


33 posted on 08/26/2019 7:15:57 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: Olog-hai
You mean to say the map is false? Or just that you have nothing better to say?

The fact is that Northern Ireland voted by nearly 2/3rd to remain in the EU and that most seem to now be happy with joining the Republic in the event of a hard Brexit. But, as I said, most doesn't mean it is a clean separation

34 posted on 08/26/2019 7:17:15 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

So you have a soft spot for parliamentary sovereignty. But Boris is politically smarter for being “legally wrong,” which is what matters. Sovereignty is only as strong as its subjects’ allegiance.


35 posted on 08/26/2019 7:17:17 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: Olog-hai
I'll grant you...it could majorly suck to be the next to wanna bug. But that's not the UK's problem. 😄
36 posted on 08/26/2019 7:17:25 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: Olog-hai
Olog-hai: The Republic of Ireland has not existed since 1972.

O'reilly?

37 posted on 08/26/2019 7:19:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos
Yes, I mean to say exactly that. Never mind your argumentum ad verecundiam with respect to your source.
38 posted on 08/26/2019 7:19:31 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: KC Burke

Are they calling mentally unfit yet? A racist?


39 posted on 08/26/2019 7:26:38 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Cronos
No, de Valera.
The State may become a member of the European Coal and Steel Community (established by Treaty signed at Paris on the 18th day of April, 1951), the European Economic Community (established by Treaty signed at Rome on the 25th day of March, 1957) and the European Atomic Energy Community (established by Treaty signed at Rome on the 25th day of March, 1957). No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State necessitated by the obligations of membership of the Communities—or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the Communities, or institutions thereof, from having the force of law in the State.
Text of Ireland’s Third Amendment. Foreign body having legislative power over Ireland = renunciation of sovereignty. Ergo, the Republic of Ireland has not existed since 1972.
40 posted on 08/26/2019 7:28:19 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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