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The Ridiculous Anti-Vaping Crusade
The National Review ^ | September 20, 2019 | RICH LOWRY

Posted on 09/21/2019 8:50:09 AM PDT by kingu

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To: CodeToad
I think you are on to the problem with vaping. From what you say, and similar things I've heard, people are using the vaping tubes as a kind of latter-day bong, and are putting adulterated substances in them for which they were not intended. Thus they are getting very high doses of nicotine and probably other harmful substances.

There are also questions about the vaping liquid itself - is it injecting an oily substance into the lungs which can cause severe respiratory problems with overuse?
61 posted on 09/21/2019 10:06:04 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: CodeToad

I am not worthy to be on the same forum as you. Have you considered finding a forum where you are a better fit?


62 posted on 09/21/2019 10:06:37 AM PDT by null and void (<---powered by warm sunshine and gentle breezes and unicorn farts, don't forget the unicorn farts!)
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To: Drango
There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand

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This post was written by a criminal Cuban cigar smoker.
63 posted on 09/21/2019 10:07:36 AM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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To: Drango

Nope. Just going to observe the behavior of the all too common North American Nanny State Busybody.

You’re a textbook example, after all. And some folks need to see it pointed out so they can recognize, also point it up, and then mock it unmercifully until it slinks away in well deserved shame.

Enjoy.

L


64 posted on 09/21/2019 10:08:10 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: CodeToad

CDC statistics for the 480,000 figure. (Roughly 7000 from cancer).

Panicked news reports for the 6 people figure.

I could have just told you I’m not your research librarian...


65 posted on 09/21/2019 10:09:10 AM PDT by null and void (<---powered by warm sunshine and gentle breezes and unicorn farts, don't forget the unicorn farts!)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Vaping kids are the parents problem. Vaping adults are their own problem. I do not see an issue that needs the force of government arms.
Trump should have made a statement that reinforced freedom and personal responsibility instead of reinforcing the nanny state.

Well said. -Tom

66 posted on 09/21/2019 10:10:26 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: The Great RJ

Its all about money and regulation.


67 posted on 09/21/2019 10:11:16 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: kingu

This thread reminds me once again that if every progressive suddenly dropped dead, we conservatives would still be arguing amongst ourselves, which gives the lie to the leftist claim that we blindly take our marching orders from Fox News, Trump, Rush, or anyone else.


68 posted on 09/21/2019 10:13:41 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: CodeToad

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/health/vaping-lung-injury-new-cases-530-bn/index.html

Update! That paragon of accuracy, CNN is now reporting 8 vaping deaths.

That’s up a third from last week.

We’re all gonna DIE!!!!


69 posted on 09/21/2019 10:15:43 AM PDT by null and void (<---powered by warm sunshine and gentle breezes and unicorn farts, don't forget the unicorn farts!)
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To: kingu
Vaping has been around for a while and is suddenly a huge problem.
70 posted on 09/21/2019 10:16:28 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: windsorknot

I think this sudden spate of deaths is caused by people experimenting with the vaping tubes (”Hey, did you know that you can use the tube to . . . ?”) and are putting substances in them for which they weren’t intended. People are using them like bongs, as drug paraphernalia, rather than simply for smoking the products that they were intended for.


71 posted on 09/21/2019 10:21:01 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Exactly! This is not a collective responsibility just as so many other things people think we should have government do and continue doing are not “collective” anything.


72 posted on 09/21/2019 10:21:12 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: dainbramaged

“I saw a guy smoking an e-cig recently and the cloud he exhaled was the size of a VW Beetle.”

That cloud of steam is truly disgusting. Maybe that’s part of the appeal of vaping. TV reports love to show those exhalings.


73 posted on 09/21/2019 10:33:26 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: cgbg

I love Ayn Rand and have a quote of her’s on my profile. That said, she was a drug user and addicted to meth.

She’s hardly the best authority for dealing with addiction.


74 posted on 09/21/2019 10:38:20 AM PDT by Drango (1776 = 2020)
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To: kingu

We are really going through another round of prohibitionism. You can’t legislate against stupidity.

How about an “experiment” this time (this is the way it was supposed to be). If some states want to ban it fine. We can see what happens. Keep the Feds out of it.

Our federal government is so corrupt and tyrannical that whatever they do it always ends up hurting the people. Just look at the wars on terror, drugs, poverty.

I think that most Americans would appreciate wresting a little more control from our unjust and execrable federal government by allowing states to do more than picking out their State flower and motto.


75 posted on 09/21/2019 10:39:07 AM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: cymbeline
Maybe that’s part of the appeal of vaping.

I'm told the visual feedback of seeing the exhaled cloud is an important part of the experience. This followed a few one-on-one conversations with random vapers when I was curious if a product that administered nicotine without a huge cloud would have a market. Think something like an asthma inhaler. They weren't interested.

Back in the 50s there was an antibiotic ointment for scrapes and scratches, it worked very well, but sales were abysmal. The company hired a consultant who determined that mothers didn't think it worked, and the consultant advised adding a little alcohol to the formula to make it sting so mothers would "know" it worked. They did, sales soared.

76 posted on 09/21/2019 10:43:32 AM PDT by null and void (<---powered by warm sunshine and gentle breezes and unicorn farts, don't forget the unicorn farts!)
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To: Wiser now

>>> My 62 year old sister has such a severe case of COPD . . . thanks to vaping as a substitute for smoking

Non sequitur
.

>>> Vaping is worse than smoking. My sister is proof.

Non sequitur


77 posted on 09/21/2019 10:47:38 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This Space For Rant)
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To: Steve_Seattle
at a time when the left - and even many conservatives - are touting the widespread legalization of marijuana

The stoners are taking over the schools: https://dcist.com/story/19/09/19/bill-would-let-students-get-medical-marijuana-treatment-in-d-c-schools/

78 posted on 09/21/2019 10:50:01 AM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: mylife

Well if it’s illegal that’s more work for prisons and criminal and civil justice system.


79 posted on 09/21/2019 10:50:48 AM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: david1292

A more significant study - one for which we will probably have to wait a while - would be the number of vapers who graduate to smoking.


80 posted on 09/21/2019 10:55:52 AM PDT by DPMD
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