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California High-Speed Rail board votes to bring trains to San Francisco
Vox Media, ^ | Sep 20, 2019 | Adam Brinklow

Posted on 09/23/2019 6:24:21 AM PDT by cutty

Blended route” for the way to San Jose—and beyond.

California’s ongoing bullet train project is late, over-budget, and politically assailed everywhere from Sacramento to the White House, but the nearly $80 billion venture still (pardon the term) chugs along, as the High Speed Rail Authority board voted Tuesday for routes that will eventually connect trains to the Bay Area.

Out of four route proposals, board members favored a Merced-to-San Jose connection designated Alternative Four, one that “blended configuration between San Jose and Gilroy in the existing Caltrain and Union Pacific Railroad corridors before continuing to a dedicated high-speed rail alignment through Pacheco Pass” through a tunnel.

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“blended” means that future bullet trains will use a combination of existing rail infrastructure from regional transit agencies along with newly built trackways laid down specifically for high-speed rail,

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The routes favored at Tuesday’s vote may change in the future. Actual construction remains years away

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In May, a project update report found that the likely final cost now sat at $79.1 billion, almost double the $40 billion voters approved in 2008, with the route from Bakersfield to Merced now $1.8 billion pricier than previously calculated.

California is presently entrenched in litigation with the federal government over attempts to cancel nearly $1 billion in grants,

(Excerpt) Read more at sf.curbed.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: bart; california; caltrain; highspeedrail; highspeedtrain; railroad; sanfrancisco; trains; williegreen
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1 posted on 09/23/2019 6:24:21 AM PDT by cutty
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To: cutty
Actual construction remains years away

Which will happen first?

1. California either secedes or is kicked out of the Union.
2. High speed rail reaches San Francisco
2 posted on 09/23/2019 6:27:10 AM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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To: cutty
What a fraud - but it is California...
3 posted on 09/23/2019 6:28:13 AM PDT by grobdriver (BUILD KATE'S WALL!)
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To: cutty

Oh brother. It’d cost them 40 billion just clean up the poop


4 posted on 09/23/2019 6:28:58 AM PDT by albie
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To: cgbg

3. A large quake destroys part of the line before the first passenger ever boards a train.


5 posted on 09/23/2019 6:29:12 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: cutty

Bakersfield to Merced now $1.8 billion pricier than previously calculated.


And that’s before any track has been installed. I’d like to see how they are going to tackle the grade up to Gilroy, that shouldn’t run into any cost over runs. Maybe they can make a giant loop like Tehachapi. High speed trains love loops.


6 posted on 09/23/2019 6:31:53 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: cutty
Actual construction remains years away

How many 'Bullet Trains' are in operation now, in California?....................

7 posted on 09/23/2019 6:32:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain......................)
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To: cutty
I still have to admit, the utter folly of this high speed rail project still has the possibility of actually being useful. A line from Roseville to Sacramento to Davis to Vallejo to Oakland to San Francisco would mean that the billions a year in taxpayer subsidies wouldn't be as much of a waste. That line would probably only require $25 in subsidies per rider vs the $125 the Bakersfield to SF route would require.

Though truthfully, now all this is becoming is an expansion of Bay Area Transit at the expense of all of California. The San Jose to SF high speed train is really the ultimate goal.

8 posted on 09/23/2019 6:34:07 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Red Badger
How many 'Bullet Trains' are in operation now, in California?

Zero.

9 posted on 09/23/2019 6:34:41 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv; Liz

None. The high speed rail has been/is “started” in the Central Valley by Feinstein’s husband’s construction company with 2-3 billion spent and the flat straight parts graded. I know of no bridges, no overpasses complete, no rails connections anywhere.


10 posted on 09/23/2019 6:37:14 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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To: kingu

These days big money will be stolen at every stage of the process.

Democratic run states are always kleptocracies.

The costs will keep going up and up and up.....


11 posted on 09/23/2019 6:38:12 AM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

So, they have spent nearly $3B and have not laid one inch of rail......................


12 posted on 09/23/2019 6:38:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain......................)
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To: cutty

As I keep noting in many topics:
There’s good money in proposing mega-projects.
Doesn’t matter if they never come to pass (most don’t), so long as there’s a sufficient influx of funding to propose & promote the project. 80 billion dollar project? Spending just 0.01% of that on planning is $8M, giving ~10 people nice incomes for 8 years. 10x that creates a self-perpetuating group for still just 1/1000th the projected cost. They’ll do just enough to keep the project alive; completion is unnecessary for those benefiting.


13 posted on 09/23/2019 6:38:59 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

Well, to be fair, they sorta got this bridge mostly done:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno_River_Viaduct

;-)


14 posted on 09/23/2019 6:40:26 AM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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To: cutty

The project is a dead man walking, but will amble along until all money is drained into the appropriate pockets.


15 posted on 09/23/2019 6:40:52 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: cgbg

3rd option

3. California either secedes, it is then “reacquired” by the USG. It’s current state government disestablished. regarding it’s current state leadership & other “movers & shakers - Hollywierd-types” told to “pound sand”! It reverts back to territorial status. All previous state contracts “null & void”, renegotiated on a “case-by-case” basis as are state pensions. Its “reconstructed” by being broken up into as many as 4 states.


16 posted on 09/23/2019 6:44:28 AM PDT by Reily
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To: VTenigma

I am sure high speed rail loves existing non high speed rail track as well... ;-)


17 posted on 09/23/2019 6:44:56 AM PDT by cgbg (Democracy dies in darkness when Bezos bans books.)
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To: Willie Green

Paging Willie Green!


18 posted on 09/23/2019 6:45:22 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: kingu

Indeed, it could actually get done on time and under budget, and make a profit - were it run by people interested in completion.

Seems that’s one of Elon Musk’s goals with Boring Co.: by going underground, all zoning nonsense is bypassed. Were he to just get his machines started on a long straight path at least a line could get there and something done therewith.


19 posted on 09/23/2019 6:46:44 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: cutty

They can’t even get BART from SF to San Jose.
It took them decades to get BART to the airport.
It will never happen.


20 posted on 09/23/2019 6:51:47 AM PDT by Zathras
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