Posted on 09/24/2019 11:06:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
For the most part, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has been a rational bastion in the ‘get Trump’ fever that has overtaken House Democrats. The calls to impeach Trump have been drumming for nearly four years has always been met with skepticism from Pelosi, who knows the risks. It will galvanize the GOP like no other, push away Independent voters, and will offer loads of ammunition to be used in political ads. With the presidency in Republican hands, along with the bully pulpit, the GOP has the advantage in this fight, especially if the reasons to impeach are seen as politically driven. The fact is that they are politically-driven; they just don’t like Trump. He is being impeached because he won the 2016 election. That’s it. The Trump-Russia collusion myth was their best shot—and Robert Mueller torpedoed that.
They then tried to take the impeachment train into obstruction junction but also got stalled there because the evidence was severely lacking. So, now we have this second-hand and anonymously sourced account that Trump tried to coerce the Ukrainian political leadership to look into former Vice President Joe Biden who reportedly got a prosecutor from that country removed from a case involving his son. The whistleblower did not listen in on the call, by the way. And it’s not the job of the intelligence community to snitch to Congress on what the president says to other foreign leaders. So, in the end, we have a controversy here because Trump spoke…with another foreign leader. This is…groundbreaking (I cannot roll my eyes hard enough). Now, it also has some people asking what the hell Biden’s son was doing. Yet, this could be the high-water mark for impeachment. Pelosi is reportedly now feeling out the caucus, of which a majority support an impeachment inquiry, over what to do next. Granted, again, we have anonymous sources, but the sign that there is movement is grounded in Rep. Debbie Dingell’s (D-MI) move where she now supports impeachment proceedings. She was a Democrat who criticized her party for ignoring white working-class voters, calling Trump voters racist, and adopting an identity politics mindset (via WaPo):
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has been quietly sounding out top allies and lawmakers about whether the time has come to impeach President Trump, a major development as several moderate House Democrats resistant to impeachment suddenly endorsed the extraordinary step of trying to oust the president.
Pelosi, according to multiple senior House Democrats and congressional aides, has been gauging the mood of her caucus members about whether they believe that allegations that Trump pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate a political foe are a tipping point. She was making calls as late as Monday night, and many leadership aides who once thought Trump’s impeachment was unlikely now say they think it’s almost inevitable.
The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak frankly.
Pelosi’s conversations — and reconsideration of her long-held position that impeachment is too divisive — come amid a growing clamor for impeachment that extends beyond the party’s liberal base and many Democratic presidential candidates to moderate lawmakers in competitive House seats.
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The drama is all building toward Thursday, a make-or-break moment in the eyes of House Democratic leaders. Pelosi gave the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, until then to turn over the whistleblower complaint. Under the law, any matter deemed of “urgent concern” is supposed to be shared with Congress. But the Trump administration has refused to hand over the material — despite an inspector general’s determination that it has met that threshold.
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Senior Democratic officials cautioned that no steps have been finalized, and there were still questions about timing and how to conduct the proceedings.
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…in interviews with multiple Democratic lawmakers and aides on Monday, almost everyone said the House had reached a point of no return on impeachment.
For example, impeachment dominated a meeting of chiefs of staff for lawmakers in competitive districts on Monday, according to one official familiar with the talks. The individual said the session grew heated and angry, pitting those congressional aides who thought it was time to back impeachment against those who worry about the political fallout.
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Another significant shift came from Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.), who has urged Democrats to sharpen their appeal to Trump voters and protect the party’s centrist flank. On Monday night, she announced support for an impeachment inquiry “because we must follow the facts and hold the President accountable.”
Let’s see what happens. There is absolutely no way impeachment succeeds with a Republican Senate. It’s just not going to happen, so what’s the benefit of all this, which is something that Pelosi has most certainly considered. It will satisfy the rabid left-wing base that infests the coasts and urban areas, but is that worth super-energizing Republican voters, rural voters, and alienating Independents? This could come to blows between the far left and the more establishment, centrist wings of the party. In some ways, it already has—so let’s hope this division boils over in a messy fashion. This is what happens when you get Democrats running things, by the way.
So he now has a 60% chance of re-election.
Marcus Tullius Cicero quote:
“Politicians are not born; they are excreted.”
I, for one, am concerned. This could be painful to watch and not entertainment as some think.
Goes way back, don’t it?
Concerned of what, they should be concered about 63 million Americans, many of them armed, and the number is growing, who will not stand for a coup.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO IT!
Democrats launch this they go from a best case scenario of 15 state and DC and maybe retaining the house, to a best case scenario of less than 10 states and DC and loss of the house.
If she doesn’t start the process, the Dems will coerce Barr into appointing another special prosecutor.
It sure does.
Our Founding Fathers were very wise to limit the power of government. Just maybe, we can keep from screwing that up.
I’m sure the GOP-e Senators will help out Trump....
Only if you have lots of $$$
RE: On what specific charges?
I believe it will be trading US foreign policy in exchange for personal political favors.
The allegation is that Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine until they agree to re-open the prosecution investigation against Joe and Hunter Biden.
RE: I’m sure the GOP-e Senators will help out Trump....
Scratch Mitt Romney from the list.
Living in another World ,LOL
Unfortunately a Democrat will be president after Trump’s second term.
Years ago a group of my friends were discussing politics, and someone
asked, “What’s the quickest way to corrupt a politician?”
I answered, “Elect them.”
We’ll see after Trump releases the transcript tomorrow.
Or: What is the quickest way to find out your ancestral history? Run to be elected to office, the MSMLSD will find your history back to the stone age.
Not at all. She knows full well that a vast majority of the country, even those who own guns, are sufficiently neutered enough to well it won't matter. If they want to impeach Trump and twist enough arms in the Senate to force his removal, they can do it.
and Mike Lee
Gurantee you that Trump was not dumb enough to say such a thing in his conversation. If I’m wrong, then he will deserve what he gets.
“so what’s the benefit of all this”
To have Trump forever tarnished in the history books as only the 3rd President in history to be impeached. A Senate conviction is irrelevant to them.
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