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Trump Followed His Gut on Syria. Calamity Came Fast.
The New York Times ^ | October 14th, 2019 | David E. Sanger

Posted on 10/14/2019 3:44:39 PM PDT by Mariner

President Trump’s acquiescence to Turkey’s move to send troops deep inside Syrian territory has in only one week’s time turned into a bloody carnage, forced the abandonment of a successful five-year-long American project to keep the peace on a volatile border, and given an unanticipated victory to four American adversaries: Russia, Iran, the Syrian government and the Islamic State.

Rarely has a presidential decision resulted so immediately in what his own party leaders have described as disastrous consequences for American allies and interests. How this decision happened — springing from an “off-script moment” with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, in the words of a senior American diplomat — likely will be debated for years by historians, Middle East experts and conspiracy theorists.

But this much already is clear: Mr. Trump ignored months of warnings from his advisers about what calamities likely would ensue if he followed his instincts to pull back from Syria and abandon America’s longtime allies, the Kurds. He had no Plan B, other than to leave. The only surprise is how swiftly it all collapsed around the president and his depleted, inexperienced foreign policy team.

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And over the weekend, State and Energy Department officials were quietly reviewing plans for evacuating roughly 50 tactical nuclear weapons that the United States had long stored, under American control, at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, about 250 miles from the Syrian border, according to two American officials.

Those weapons, one senior official said, were now essentially Erdogan’s hostages. To fly them out of Incirlik would be to mark the de facto end of the Turkish-American alliance. To keep them there, though, is to perpetuate a nuclear vulnerability that should have been eliminated years ago.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; US: New York
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To: Mariner

I’d give it a week til the media reshuffles it’s cards and deals out the next hand in “Operation Destroy Trump”. Of course with the IG report due out Friday it might be a little harder than usual for them to control the narrative.


41 posted on 10/14/2019 3:58:47 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Brilliant

The only “mistake” President Trump made here was keeping any U.S. military personnel in Syria more than 48 hours after he was inaugurated.


42 posted on 10/14/2019 4:00:03 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: TADSLOS

The money is good.

Losing subscribers may seem bad until you realize these corrupt media outlets are subsidized through foreign aid kick backs from countries that hate us.

How much of that 1.4 billion to Iran flowed back to Democrats? Not “if” but “how much”?

...and every other country we send money to.


43 posted on 10/14/2019 4:00:38 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Mariner

We needed to get out of a no-win situation. We eliminated ISIS. Mission accomplished.

Some people think we should be the world’s policeman. That’s not our job.

No matter what Democrats and their GOP quislings would like us to believe.


44 posted on 10/14/2019 4:01:31 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mariner

In the short term, Putin and Erdogan are going to milk the transition for all it’s worth. In the long term, Trump will be proven right :)!


45 posted on 10/14/2019 4:01:35 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: jimmygrace

They should go all and put the pics from the KY gun show on the front page tomorrow.


46 posted on 10/14/2019 4:01:45 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Mariner

Source: NY Times. Fake News.
Just say no to endless war.


47 posted on 10/14/2019 4:01:56 PM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: Mariner

“Doom, despair and agony on me”
The NYT really wants Trump to change his mind on this.
We all know why.


48 posted on 10/14/2019 4:03:26 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Flick Lives

Every time you see “Two sources familiar” or “Two anonymous sources” or “Two anything” IT IS A LIE.

Two is secret to pulling off the old collaboration trick.

One isn’t enough. Three is unlikely. ...but Two is the sweet spot.


49 posted on 10/14/2019 4:03:28 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: jimmygrace

This is the new narrative, and we have the fake videos from Kentucky to prove it.

Yes, that is a prime example of just how pathetic our “news” media has become. There are only two reasons ABC aired footage of a gun range show in Kentucky as Turkey bombing Syria. They were handed the footage by CIA goons and told it was exclusive footage -or- ABC dug it up off the internet by googling for “explosions”. There is no good explanation.


50 posted on 10/14/2019 4:04:44 PM PDT by Flick Lives (MSM, the Enemy of the People since 1898)
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To: Mariner

Is there anyone here that thinks any Slimes report having to do with President Trump would be an honest unbiased assessment? Didn’t think so.

Lastly, I’m fed up with the endless characterization of the Kurds as our allies. They are not our ALLIES. They are our PAID mercenaries fighting a Proxy War for us and were paid very well for doing so. Period.

Their mission was to with our guidance eliminate ISIS in the area. That mission has been accomplished. The Caliphate is no more. Is every ISIS Jihadist dead? No. But, the elimination of every last ISIS Jihadist was not the mission.


51 posted on 10/14/2019 4:05:01 PM PDT by ocrp1982 (Lurking since the late 90's. Recently retired. No tagline yet.)
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To: kiryandil
👍🏼
52 posted on 10/14/2019 4:05:12 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: dljordan

Would Congress like to declare war?


They sure seem radio silent, on that.


53 posted on 10/14/2019 4:06:31 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: Mariner
Read to the end, and this cheap bitch Singermann lifts the can off his garbage lid...

"But the common argument that U.S. troops could have produced different Iraqi political outcomes is hogwash.

The Iraqi sectarian divides, which ISIS exploited, run deep and were not susceptible to permanent remedy by our troops at their height, let alone by 5,000 trainers under Iraqi restraints.”

Mr. Trump may now be left to make the same argument about Syria: That nothing could have stopped Mr. Erdogan, that the Russians would benefit in any case, that there are other ways to push back at Iran. Perhaps history will side with him.


54 posted on 10/14/2019 4:08:16 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (CNN's Dana B: "Show of hands: Coverage for undocumented immigrants?" ***all Democrat hands raised***)
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To: Mariner

You know that Trump did the right thing if the liberal don’t like it.


55 posted on 10/14/2019 4:08:38 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: OttawaFreeper

There is no confusion. Any America-first policy, pro-Constitution policy, pro-family policy is negative from the establishment’s point of view. All you need to remember is that they hate us, and all their fake news and editorializing will reflect the same, always.


56 posted on 10/14/2019 4:08:44 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Erdogan grabbed the Tar Baby.


57 posted on 10/14/2019 4:09:07 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Whatever it is, we’re against it. - Democrat Media


58 posted on 10/14/2019 4:10:14 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: Mariner
We should draft all New York Times writers and send them to Syria since they want to get involved so badly.

Not our problem. No more endless war!


59 posted on 10/14/2019 4:10:58 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Jane Long

[They sure seem radio silent, on that.]

The House of Representin’ ain’t got time fo’ dat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEC-8GFTP4

(it’s amazing how much “Idiocracy” foretold Obama and the Democrat House)

Glad that woman escaped the fire, BTW.


60 posted on 10/14/2019 4:12:10 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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