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Who the Hell Do They Think They Are?
Lucieanne ^ | October 19th, 2019 | Angelo Codevilla

Posted on 10/22/2019 12:56:28 PM PDT by robowombat

Who the Hell Do They Think They Are?

With William McRaven’s call to oust President Trump—maybe through impeachment, maybe through a coup—the military officer class joins the establishment in claiming a right to rule, regardless of the outcome of elections.

Angelo Codevilla - October 19th, 2019

Retired Admiral William McRaven devoted the bulk of a New York Times op-ed to appropriating for himself the moral and hence political authority of generations of soldiers and sailors (pointedly, especially the female ones) who have sacrificed for America, for “the good and the right.” Then he gratuitously stated—citing no specifics, as if everyone already knows—that “President Trump seems to believe that all these qualities are unimportant or show weakness.”

McRaven concludes, “it is time for a new person in the Oval Office—Republican, Democrat or independent—the sooner, the better.” At the very least, McRaven called for impeachment ahead of an election, or perhaps for a coup, and pretended to do so on the military’s behalf. In fact, his was just one more voice from an establishment that has squandered the public’s trust, senses that it can no longer win elections honestly, and is pulling out all the stops.

It pretends to be trying to take down Donald Trump. In fact, it is trying to do something much bigger: Invalidate the votes of the “deplorables” who oppose them.

I suggest that the just response from self-respecting Americans to McRaven and others like him is: “Who the hell do you think you are?”

Consider the enormity of pretending to speak for past and present uniformed personnel. Given that the overwhelming majority of active-duty and retired armed service members voted for Trump in 2016, and that polls show they are likely to do so again, it’s a patent falsehood to insinuate the rank-and-file’s notion of “the good and the right” matches McRaven’s own.

- Do I have any confetti in my hair? 00:00 McRaven’s essay merely, and dishonestly, adds to the united ruling class’s effort to attack Donald Trump outside of constitutional procedures by feeding the media’s production of innuendos. Then consider a few of these notions of “good and right.” Following rules and the chain of command is high among them, especially for the military. Officers are supposed to obey superiors. That authority flows from the president. Why? Because only the president is elected by the whole people, and because the Constitution, which they are sworn to “uphold and defend,” says so. If officers cannot abide superiors, they are supposed to resign their commissions.

But McRaven and a host of senior officers do not resign. They subvert.

The Constitution prescribes all manner of procedures by which any and all who dissent from the president can counter him, including legislation, overriding vetoes, and impeachment. But McRaven’s essay merely, and dishonestly, adds to the united ruling class’s effort to attack Donald Trump outside of these constitutional procedures by feeding the media’s production of innuendos.

The Democratic Party pretends to be trying to impeach. But they know, since any Republican who joins them would be ending his career in elective politics (not, alas, in the establishment), that they have zero chance of removing Trump from office.

They hope, however, that the sheer weight of innuendos—regardless of how implausible—will turn the 2020 election because the media allows no contradiction. That is why they are conducting what they call an impeachment campaign via secret testimony, the content of which the public can know only through what the Democrats and the media say through selective leaking. This is the patent dishonesty to which the former admiral prostitutes himself.

Even as McRaven brays for removing the president, he pretends solicitude for “the republic.” But remember: the American republic is founded on the will of the people, expressed by elections. The foremost thing to keep in mind about what is happening in Washington is that it is, above all, an attempt to subordinate the will of the people, expressed in elections, to the will of the ruling class, expressed through its control of social and political institutions.

The American people’s proper and just reaction should be to remind the ruling class that as Alexander Hamilton said, “here, the people rule,” and hence pointedly to ask our would-be rulers what they have done that we should follow them?

McRaven really does speak for a substantial percentage of senior military officers. Their views are on display nightly on Fox News. It is time for the American people to realize that these, like their counterparts in the intelligence agencies, are no heroes.

If we ask what they have done for us that we should have confidence in them, we realize that these people have lost every war they have waged since 1945. Accommodating themselves to our corrupt ruling class, they have been happy enough to wage endless no-win wars which have killed as many Americans as did World War I. The current military dictionary has no entry for “victory.”

Most recently, thousands of Americans have been killed and maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan because senior officers did not object to the ruling class’s desire to use U.S. forces to settle foreign quarrels by operating in constantly replenished minefields. Living in minefields violates basic military common sense and ethics. But senior officers have prospered. Intertwined with the ruling class, they end their careers on defense contractors’ corporate boards and in villas on the golf course. Now, as part of the ruling class, they join in claiming a right to rule us deplorables regardless of elections. We can thank McRaven for making that clear.

This ex-draftee is inclined to salute them with the middle finger.

Angelo Codevilla

Angelo M. Codevilla is a senior fellow of the Claremont Institute, professor emeritus of international relations at Boston University


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
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Back in the early 1960's MG Walker had his career ended early for politically propagandizing his command with John Birch type literature. Several other officers had their careers truncated by making officially unapproved statements to public groups such as the DAR. Nobody even suggested anything such as McBuzzard did. This sort of statement by a retired flag officer appears to be a straight Article 80 violation of the CMC. It even reaches the level of suborning treason as it is an open call for overturning a duly elected president by a military coup. Americans of any political coloration should denounce this as it is a violation of the Constitutional government in a fundamental and basic way. We are not Peru or Venezuela but this mentality will lead to that effect.
1 posted on 10/22/2019 12:56:28 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

The mCraven admiral has shown his colors, and quite possibly violated the UCMJ as a retired flag rank officer.

My bet is this chump never drove an IED infested road and never patrolled sniper infested villages.


2 posted on 10/22/2019 1:00:29 PM PDT by budj (combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations)
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To: robowombat

They think they are our rulers.
And, so far, they’re getting away with it.


3 posted on 10/22/2019 1:00:30 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: robowombat
. . . through a coup—the military officer class joins the establishment in claiming a right to rule, regardless of the outcome of elections

. . . defend against enemies, both foreign and domestic.

Proof it is time for an inquisition to purge the traitors from the ranks of government. This is incomprehensible. . . and intolerable.

4 posted on 10/22/2019 1:01:22 PM PDT by RatRipper
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“...My bet is this chump never drove an IED infested road and never patrolled sniper infested villages....”
Damn straight. The POS is one of the commie “perfumed princes” that abound in the upper echelons of the military.
The POS would order U.S. citizens to be fired upon in a heartbeat.


5 posted on 10/22/2019 1:05:17 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: robowombat

bttt


6 posted on 10/22/2019 1:06:05 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: robowombat

Sad to say I know other vets who have turned against the oath they swore to uphold. For me, it is traitorous to do so. I guess they feel it’s their duty to be an opposing force.


7 posted on 10/22/2019 1:09:13 PM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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As I said previously when McRaven's audacious screed was first posted on FR ...

McRaven has openly acknowledged that the U.S. military is basically a mercenary force that is to be put in the service of foreign interests. And that a U.S. President who does not believe this should be removed from office.

Hopefully that will be the last time I get any grief from a Freeper who criticizes me for my outright refusal to join the U.S. military when the opportunity presented itself years ago.

8 posted on 10/22/2019 1:09:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: robowombat

Good post by you, and good op-ed by Angelo Codevilla.

Few people appreciate the utter contempt our elected and appointend officials have for the US Constitution — all the while swearing they are upholding it.

Middle finger to them is too little and too good.


9 posted on 10/22/2019 1:09:49 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

REMF


10 posted on 10/22/2019 1:16:20 PM PDT by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6)
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To: Alberta's Child
A half century ago when I first entered the US armed services the remarks of McRaven would have been instantly rebuked and denounced and he would have been considered a real live Gen Jack D. Ripper.
11 posted on 10/22/2019 1:20:06 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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This article addresses another 800 lb gorilla in the room, often embedded in the the question "will they ever stop"?

The answer is "no, they won't", at least until they get a proverbial smack across the face that knocks them back so hard it might take a generation or two for them to try again.

Hopefully that is what Barr and Durham are working on. Because if what Barr is doing is theater, anyone who values liberty may have their remaining choices picked for them, all of them bleak.

12 posted on 10/22/2019 1:21:16 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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McRaven, you dishonor specifically Navy SEALs and generally military personnel of the United States of America...


13 posted on 10/22/2019 1:21:40 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: robowombat

The admiral is a dope.

14 posted on 10/22/2019 1:26:40 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Tench_Coxe; All
Unfortunately candor is always in very short supply in government or the military. Once I made some direct comments in writing on what was clearly generally usat performance by a number of participants in a Chemical Incident CPX. The result was all hell breaking loose. I was told I had ‘insulted’ the professionalism of several organizations and put my second line supervisor, a very careerist O-6, in a ‘difficult place’.

For that reason, I wouldn't bank on anything really damning from either Barr and Dunham. What they will probably focus on are violations of internal DOJ staff protocols and other trivia. Bureaucracy , civilian or military or police, is always duplicitous and hate candor.

15 posted on 10/22/2019 1:29:46 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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The admiral is a dope.

I wish it was that simple. Stupid flag and general officers are not unusual. McRaven is a certified member of the permanent government class. That means he and all other such as Brennan are automatically given GHB (Great Human Being) lifetime status. No matter how corrupt or vicious they are the inner party are always GHB’s , or at least given a free pass out of trouble. In the early 1980’s a pretty senior Member of Congress from NYC was allowed to avoid any prosecution for a massive number of child molestation charges and having a vast kiddie porn library. He did have leave Congress and nothing more was ever said about Rep Freaky. What was printed was once on Page A-16. The guy was really rich and a certified GHB,

16 posted on 10/22/2019 1:37:36 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: budj
The writer nails the military brass perfectly. They are sellouts and they proved it by sucking Obama’s balls while he committed treason multiple times. Now they attack a patriot like Trump and expose themselves as the filthy whores they are.
17 posted on 10/22/2019 1:49:46 PM PDT by Rdct29 (Democrats are the new Nazi's. They think they deserve total control over the people)
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IMHO this sort of thing is really serious. A high ranking flag officer, albeit retired, has publicly called for the President to be overthrown by a coup. Politics aside, the global impact of such an action would be really catastrophic, Constitutionally it would be bald faced treason rewarded. I remember , sort of, all the things you were told you couldn’t do or say once you swore the enlistment oath. It was clear that for military people and for career officers whether active duty or retired, had their First Amendment rights somewhat circumscribed. I am still astonished a flag officer would put such ideas into public print. The subordination of the armed forces to the civilian government and head of state is foundational constitutional theory in the US. Whatever private views McRaven has , what was he thinking about to do such a thing. Doesn’t the OCS curriculum cover this basic concept any more?


18 posted on 10/22/2019 1:56:20 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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You're seeing first-hand evidence of why so many of the local leaders at the time of this country's founding never liked the idea of a strong central government with a permanent military force.

Heck -- the Green Mountain Boys of Vermont were heroes of the American Revolution ... and yet 18 months after they won the Battle of Ticonderoga the Continental Congress was pushing George Washington to send troops up to Vermont to subdue them.

19 posted on 10/22/2019 2:05:51 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: robowombat

Try for treason. Strip of all rank and retirement benefits.


20 posted on 10/22/2019 2:17:48 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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