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To: SeekAndFind

I would start by putting a bunch of English Language Professors up to explain the English Language and it’s proper uses. All the while holding up and slowly reading the 14th Amendment and explaining the term “AND” as inclusive when it states UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF!!!


7 posted on 10/30/2019 7:36:29 AM PDT by eyeamok
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This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers...

I (and many others) read this to exclude residents with diplomatic immunity. The use of commas in the sentence introduces ambiguity but my interpretation is certainly consistent with the way the amendment is drafted.

What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

What determines allegiance? It's something that's freely given by an individual, hence the concept of a pledge. It isn't determined by place of birth and can't be imposed by a state, so just because a person was born somewhere else doesn't mean they have an allegiance to that place.

Diplomats and foreign soldiers stationed here, on the other hand, do hold allegiance to another country by virtue of their pledges/oaths. All consistent with my point above.

I understand the words here, 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,' to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

In the US illegal aliens can be arrested, taxed, sued, tried, imprisoned and even executed. Specifically, to what aspect of our jurisdiction aren't they subject?

38 posted on 10/30/2019 12:04:17 PM PDT by semimojo
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