Elderly man clings to life after being hit in head by brick thrown by Hong Kong protesters (tr)

South China Morning Post ^ | November 13, 2019 | Clifford Lo

[SeekAndFind]

RE: he ChiComs initially sent gangsters to beat protestors and the police did not respond.

That was probably the attack that occurred at HK’s Yuan Long MTR Station where a group of over 100 thugs clad in white indiscriminately started attacking protesters, women, elderly and children. Till now, we do not know the identity of these attackers and many have surmised that they were gang members (triads) instigated by the ChiComs to create chaos.

But how do you explain the occupation of Kai Tak Airport that halted travel? That could not have been planted by the ChiComs could it?

BTW, as an aside, China and her supporters ( both Chinese and Westerners ) are blaming the CIA and the American National Endownment for Democracy ( NED ) for financing the protest to cause chaos in HK and China. Just FYI.

[LouieFisk]

“You are cutting your own throat in effect.”
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With Beijing calling the shots these people are dead men walking anyway. Just a matter of time.

[LouieFisk]

“Also, this could spread to China. Chinese people aren’t in love with their local police and party bosses. They could be inspired to fight back.”
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Not likely, the Chinese generally aren’t boat-rockers. Maybe if something caught on with students/universities, but even that’s a long shot of occurring.

Ideally, in the “should have” category, Britain should have told China the HK handoff deal was off when Mao took over, since the agreement was made with the defunct Qing Dynasty government.

[ifinnegan]

ChiComs always blame NED.

I’d love to know NED or CIA were supporting this.

Seems to me CIA just wants to do a coup on Trump.

It’d be amazing if they were actually working against the ChiComs.

[ifinnegan]

“Ideally, in the “should have” category, Britain should have told China the HK handoff deal was off when Mao took over, since the agreement was made with the defunct Qing Dynasty government.”

There was no plan to return Hong Kong while Mao was alive.

After Tiananmen massacre in 89 is when UK should have said no.

Keep in mind the handover was not due to the lease of New Territories running out. Hong Kong was ceded in perpetuity and the ChiComs did not recognize the validity of either the lease of New Territories or the treaties ceding Hong Kong and Kowloon to the UK.

The handover agreement was not based on the one lease running out and is not even referenced or mentioned in the Basic Agreement.

[Boogieman]

“If the “real truth” were as you claim...”

It’s not a claim, it’s a fact. Go to any leftist subreddit and see what they post about the Hong Kong protestors. Prove me wrong.

[HereInTheHeartland]

Chi Com agent likely.
They want an excuse to smash the protestors.

[LouieFisk]

Your claim is that communists are supporting the fight against a communist regime. Although that’s just your fantasy, even if it were so, I just don’t see a problem with that, sorry.

OH-oh - that sneaky vast anti-communist communist conspiracy has even infiltrated GOP!
“Republicans to introduce legislation condemning China’s actions in Hong Kong”
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/468241-republicans-to-introduce-legislation-condemning-china-in-hong-kong

[sun7]

SCMP was sold to Alibaba in 2016. People would do well to keep that in mind when reading their reports.

By the way, Alibaba is soon to be state-owned as a result of the CCP’s recently launched effort to take over private businesses, starting with the successful ones, with the private CEOs either being retired (Alibaba, Tencent, Lenovo), jailed (Anbang), or being suicided (mysterious death in France).

[sun7]

> “If the “real truth” were as you claim..., we got leftists trying to take out Communists”

What a great comeback showing people making totally illogical claims without even realizing it.

[sun7]

> “It suddenly all changed when in July 2019 A mob of over 100 armed men dressed in white indiscriminately attacked civilians on the streets and passengers in the Yuen Long MTR station ...”

There is no mystery about it anymore. It is now widely known as the 721 incident (July 21) where a mob of white-clad gangsters carrying sticks and pipes appeared in streets of Yuen Long (a HK district) and beat up anyone and everyone happened to be there. Police didn’t show up despite repeated calls. When they finally arrived, they escorted the mob to leave the scene instead of arresting them, totally different from how they had treated protesters and even ordinary citizens. The pro-China lawmaker Junius Ho was filmed near the scene patting the gang members on the back congratulating them for a job well done. Curiously, last week Ho was ‘attacked’ by a man whose physical appearance immediately reminded me of those gang members.

Then there was the horrific 831 incident (Aug 31) where a group of riot police boarded a Mass Transit Railway Car that was stopped (at the Prince Edward station I believe) and began violently beating everyone on board. It was absolute mayhem from the short footage I saw, and many people were believed to have been killed based on statements from witnesses and rescuers. The government had denied everything and had so far refused the people’s demand to release the complete surveillance tapes of the whole incident.

About the case where a man was set on fire, people have already uncovered suspicious things. Not going into detail here except to say that it is very easy to carry out a sensational false flag operation like that giving the government a strong reason to condemn the protesters.

But more than that, it is now in the government’s interest to dial up the level of violence and chaos so that they can have a perfect excuse to postpone or even cancel the upcoming district elections where all pro-China candidates (now the majority) are at risk of losing.

[LouieFisk]

-If the “real truth” were as you claim..., we got leftists trying to take out Communists-
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“What a great comeback showing people making totally illogical claims without even realizing it.”
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I figure it’s more a case where a guy has something against the Reddit site than anything and is looking for anything to blame on it. Pounding a square peg into a round hole, as needed.

Ironically, if you look over Reddit you’ll find people complaining that Chinese interests own a chunk of it and don’t care for the pro-Beijing trolls, aka “the 50 percent party” posters -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Reddit is, indeed, hardly a “far right” site, most of the internet isn’t. A person looks here or elsewhere for right-oriented views - and even here you’re not gonna get everyone on the same page on this issue or that question.
In fact, I suspect everyone’s been called a left-wing commie at least once hereabouts if they’ve been around for awhile - simply because they disagreed with somebody else’s idea of how things were. It goes with the territory. C’est la vie.

[sun7]

No normal person would want to see something like this happen to anyone even without knowing much about the case. Assuming the protesters are indeed at fault, simply condemning them without addressing the root cause will not do anything to stop similar incidents from happening again or bring peace.

Some latest statistics from HK: Between June and September 2019, compared to the same period last year, suicide cases increase by 34, body-found cases increase by 311 (many of these were also ruled suicides). I should add that if the numbers from October up to today are added, the increases should be much higher.

Given the increasing police brutality and lawlessness, and without any official justification for the increases, it is not difficult to believe many of the deaths are connected to the protests. When we condemn the protesters for their actions, who is going to condemn the people who started it all and who continue to add more and more fuel to the fire? Ordinary citizens, not just protesters, risk becoming a statistic out in the streets everyday, when just saying something bad about the police, like calling them gangsters, will get you arrested.

And look at how they make an arrest. In almost every case, the person is wrestled to the ground and pinned with a knee on the neck. That’s why we see injuries to the head in almost all arrest photos when people hit the street head first. When one considers that the entire weight of the body can be put on the knee, no wonder so many protesters could easily be killed.  In this particular photo, I wonder where the right knee of the second cop is, and there seems to be another leg on the boy's body as well (just above the fingers).

Here is the bottom line, on one side, we have the protesters with the support of the majority of the citizens, on the other, there is the Chinese Communist Party who is desperately trying to suppress the protests by any means possible. Why is it so difficult for some to see who the bad guy is in this fight?

 

[sun7]

I just saw something very disturbing in the photo I posted above.  Look at the cop on the right and try to see what his left knee is resting on.  The answer is found below.  For him to do something like that, the goal must have been to break the young man's wrist, which he no doubt succeeded, given the delicate nature of the wrist.   No wonder there are so many reported cases of injuries and broken bones among those arrested, which are just the tip of the iceberg of the sufferings in HongKong.  Hope this evil will end soon.  This arrest happened on 11/12 at the Chinese U of HK. 

 

[ifinnegan]

This is China PAP style.

It’s most likely they brought in thugs and PAP, PLA etc... From Guandong for this special riot squad.

There was a Chinese police baton found. Riot cops are yelling in Mandarin with each other.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: By the way, Alibaba is soon to be state-owned as a result of the CCP’s recently launched effort to take over private businesses, starting with the successful ones, with the private CEOs either being retired (Alibaba, Tencent, Lenovo), jailed (Anbang), or being suicided (mysterious death in France).

OK, this is something new to me... are you trying to tell us that Jack Ma did not leave on his own accord and was “politely” told to step down?

His official stated reason for stepping down was that he wanted to focus more on charity and education ( is this just an excuse?)

[Boogieman]

“Although that’s just your fantasy...”

Ah, I see you are too lazy to go and see for yourself so you can prove me wrong, so you just pretend I’m making it up.

Seems like you’re the one indulging in fantasy.

[LouieFisk]

You’re still going on about this? Oy. Not that I don’t like your fantasy of commies trying to take down commies, I just think you might have more fun things to conjure up mentally. Well, enjoy anyway, I suppose.

[sun7]

> “It’s most likely they brought in thugs and PAP, PLA etc... From Guandong for this special riot squad.”

This is not an isolated case or just with a particular squad, it is the norm. I have seen countless similar photos of people under arrest pinned on the ground, also facedown in many cases, with a pool of blood on the ground. I had wondered why they didn’t arrest and cuff people while standing, then I realized that must be how riot police have always done things inside China, so mainland thugs enforcing the law in Hong Kong is no longer a secret. That’s also why the government will never agree to the demand to have an independent investigation of police irregularities.

It has also been reported that the entire HK police on the front line have already been replaced by mainland riot police, paramilitary, and special police, etc, and that the CCP could be preparing a massacre, Hong Kong version, to be carried out by ‘police’ rather than the military.

[sun7]

> “are you trying to tell us that Jack Ma did not leave on his own accord and was “politely” told to step down?”

Yes, more likely ‘threatened’ rather than ‘politely told’. Just like any other big and successful private companies in China, Alibaba could not have become what it is today without the party firmly behind it all those years (likewise, the CCP can also destroy a business anytime it wants). Jack Ma is a loyal member of the CCP and knew he had no choice but to cooperate.

This came from some insider information and also matches clues from Jack Ma’s own words that people had analysed. They also suspect he is now forbidden from leaving China, that’s why he couldn’t leave and enjoy his wealth despite having purchased an expensive property in the pristine wilderness.
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A few more points on the HK protests that you had raised:
- I read that the protesters called for a citywide strike for schools and businesses on 11/11, a day they promised to paralyze traffic. And so they started blocking traffic in many areas at dawn, that led to police firing 3 live shots. Whether one agrees with the tactic or not, at least it doesn’t appear to be a part of their regular strategies.

- One reason the airport was chosen as a protest site could be to avoid tear gas. As far as I know, there was never any attempt to block anything and no flight was disrupted since the protesters wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near any restricted areas, although some chaos must have ensued. But shutting down the airport blaming the protests was a good strategy for the authorities.

- To believe the CIA is involved, one has to believe 1) the people making the claim are credible, and 2) the CIA is working against the Chinese communists. Don’t forget the CIA and the CCP are aligned in their effort to remove the President.

- As for keeping the moral high ground and not resorting to vandalism, etc., that is all good and easy to do only when dealing with a reasonable government, not one controlled by the CCP that has done nothing so far but escalate the situation.