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Recreational marijuana sales begin Dec. 1 in Michigan
WJMN-TV | UPMatters.com ^ | Nov 15, 2019

Posted on 11/16/2019 12:15:58 PM PST by NobleFree

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To: DouglasKC

“None of this is true.”

We could argue about that all day long and it’s likely neither of us would convince the other.


21 posted on 11/16/2019 1:09:37 PM PST by be-baw
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To: ClearCase_guy
It doesn’t make sense for so many states to have it legal but for the federal government to still have it illegal. In a very minor way it’s like slavery.

State's rights vs. the Fed. govt.............Which one do you support?

Kinda like the abortion issue, the states should have had the right to approve or disapprove of abortion via the ballot box rather than the Feds.

22 posted on 11/16/2019 1:10:11 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: be-baw
...less harmful than alcohol...

way to set the bar real low.

23 posted on 11/16/2019 1:10:30 PM PST by fhayek
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To: NobleFree

Kid Rock will be happy.


24 posted on 11/16/2019 1:20:29 PM PST by Revel
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To: fireman15

“From my own observations usage is way... way up.”

According to the feds (SAMHSA) past-month marijuana use in Washington went from 18.92% in 2013-14 to 15.30% in 2016-17 (https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUHsaeShortTermCHG2015/NSDUHsaeShortTermCHG2015.htm, table 1 and https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/cbhsq-reports/NSDUHsaeSpecificStates2017B/NSDUHsaeSpecificStates2017.htm, table 106).


25 posted on 11/16/2019 1:32:52 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: fhayek
...less harmful than alcohol...

way to set the bar real low.

Should alcohol be federally banned?

26 posted on 11/16/2019 1:34:59 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: DouglasKC
They still have a HUGE black market in California and Colorado.

For export to non-legalizing states, as the title of your link explains. The fact remains that every dollar spent on legal marijuana is one less dollar in criminal hands.

27 posted on 11/16/2019 1:38:45 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: be-baw
“None of this is true.” We could argue about that all day long and it’s likely neither of us would convince the other.

My goal isn't to argue but rather to provide balance to the pro-pot propaganda floating around.

28 posted on 11/16/2019 1:50:59 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Support your assertions with evidence - the pro pot side has been winning because they have been able to do that.


29 posted on 11/16/2019 1:56:24 PM PST by socalgop
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To: DouglasKC

“My goal isn’t to argue but rather to provide balance to the pro-pot propaganda floating around.”

Go for it. I said I won’t argue with you, but I’m certainly interested in reasoned discussions about the issue, because it’s a big one.


30 posted on 11/16/2019 2:00:16 PM PST by be-baw
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To: be-baw; DouglasKC
"There is conclusive or substantial evidence that cannabis or cannabinoids are effective:

"For the treatment of chronic pain in adults (cannabis) (4-1) [...]

"There is limited evidence that cannabis or cannabinoids are effective for:

"Increasing appetite and decreasing weight loss associated with HIV/AIDS (cannabis and oral cannabinoids) (4-4a)"

"4 Therapeutic Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids." National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2017. The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids: The Current State of Evidence and Recommendations for Research. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. doi: 10.17226/24625.

31 posted on 11/16/2019 2:02:22 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

I’m in Oregon. There are over 10 marijuana stores within a mile and a half of my house.


32 posted on 11/16/2019 2:04:43 PM PST by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: NobleFree
I've got no problem with lots of Dims, SJWs, RINOs distorting their reality.

It will make them easier prey when SHTF...

33 posted on 11/16/2019 2:06:14 PM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: socalgop
Support your assertions with evidence - the pro pot side has been winning because they have been able to do that.

The pro-pot side (extreme leftists) has been succeeding in poisoning America because they have spent millions of dollars on propaganda designed to dupe Americans. The left tried all kinds of methods to get drugs legalized and failed. But then someone got the bright idea to label dope as "medicine" and an all out propaganda mission began to get pot legal via a "medical" propaganda effort. At the same time they worked on a strategy of getting libertarians and brain dead conservatives to sign on by labeling it as a "freedom" guaranteed under the constitution.

The propaganda was effective. Hemp this and hemp that and continues to this day with CBD oil (snake oil).

The left was highly coordinated and funded by prominent millionaires in getting this on state wide ballots. They KNEW that this would eventually lead to full legalization in those states.

In short if you are a conservative and arguing for pot legalization you are simply carrying the water of the left.

34 posted on 11/16/2019 2:06:20 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: NobleFree

“Because that would put only the smallest of dents in cartel pot profits. Many people aren’t in a position to grow their own, or simply want to get their product ready-to-use.”

Not unlike raising your own cattle to have a hamburger.

Well, probably a little easier than that, but it appears to be a lot more complicated than planting seeds in potting soil.


35 posted on 11/16/2019 2:07:11 PM PST by be-baw
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To: NobleFree; be-baw
More propaganda. The left wants SMOKED marijuana. It has convinced people that SMOKING POT has health benefits. That is absolute tripe. You listed some things that MAY be helpful in a medical sense (i.e. deriving use from the plant) but even then for each one of those there are MUCH more effective drugs available which is WHY pharmaceuticals don't really focus on this garbage.

And yet here we are, every day, having to read about how healthy it is to smoke pot. Keep up the propaganda.

36 posted on 11/16/2019 2:10:35 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: mewzilla

I would like to see a legitimate report of one of these deaths caused by potheads. Do you have any citation whatsoever?


37 posted on 11/16/2019 2:11:32 PM PST by rhoda_penmark
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To: NobleFree

Well, I have chronic pain (I sit on my ass all day long with a heating pad on my neck and back), and I need help with my appetite (I’ve lost 40 lb in the last year, not because of HIV/AIDS, but because I have massive thickening in the folds of my stomach).

I need help. My doc doesn’t want to prescribe tramadol any more (he doesn’t want to prescribe any controlled substance), and I’m at a loss to find something to help me eat (long story).

So, I’m open to using cannabis. I’ve spent a lot of time researching it and I’m willing to try. I toked a lot for a couple of years in the early 70’s and it really messed up my grades because I was stoned all the time. I don’t ever want to be like that again, but I feel like I’m boxed into a corner.


38 posted on 11/16/2019 2:13:05 PM PST by be-baw
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To: DouglasKC

You’re not particularly convincing. All those caps don’t help, by the way. You make claims but have not backed them up.


39 posted on 11/16/2019 2:15:04 PM PST by be-baw
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To: be-baw
I need help. My doc doesn’t want to prescribe tramadol any more (he doesn’t want to prescribe any controlled substance), and I’m at a loss to find something to help me eat (long story).

Are you addicted to opioids?

40 posted on 11/16/2019 2:16:12 PM PST by DouglasKC
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