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Failed Experiment: Why Intermittent Wind & Solar Have Never Worked & Never Will
Stop These Things ^ | 17 November 2019 | Stop These Things

Posted on 11/17/2019 10:03:58 AM PST by Erik Latranyi

Three decades, massive subsidies and yet intermittent wind power’s contribution to world energy needs remains little more than a rounding error.

Electricity that can’t be delivered as and when it’s needed has no commercial value; massive subsidies are the only ‘value’ that attracts investors to wind and solar. Cut the subsidies and wind and solar investment would evaporate, overnight.

As Gail Tverberg explains below, chaotically delivered wind and solar have never worked in the past. So, there’s no reason to expect that they’ll ever work in future. In a sane and rational world, we’d call it a ‘failed experiment’, clean up the mess and move on.

(Excerpt) Read more at stopthesethings.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bloggers; energy; subsidies; wind
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A great analysis of the massive economic and environmental failure of wind power worldwide.
1 posted on 11/17/2019 10:03:58 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

oops and Germany is cutting down and burning forests for wind and solar


2 posted on 11/17/2019 10:06:12 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: butlerweave

Have you seen how much real estate in the Midwest has been sacrificed to the wind mills? A few years ago we flew our small plane from Colorado to Wisconsin and we went miles and miles over these wind farms. Most of them were not even turning and many in several pieces laying on the ground. Talk about a blight on the land!


3 posted on 11/17/2019 10:10:19 AM PST by lilypad
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To: Erik Latranyi

And Los Angeles city leaders and the DWP just Triple Downed on STUPID:

Under the 25-year deal with developer 8minute Solar Energy, the city would buy electricity from a sprawling complex of solar panels and lithium-ion batteries in the Mojave Desert of eastern Kern County, about two hours north of Los Angeles. The Eland project would meet 6% to 7% of L.A.’s annual electricity needs and would be capable of pumping clean energy into the grid for four hours each night.

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2019-09-10/ladwp-votes-on-eland-solar-contract

Your typical Lithium Ion Battery only has about 500 Charges before it is useless, this is going to eat those batteries up in 1 year if they don’t blow the Mohave Desert up first.


4 posted on 11/17/2019 10:11:31 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Erik Latranyi

I like the thought of using tectonic plates as a power source.....not the cost tho


5 posted on 11/17/2019 10:13:49 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Never take a centipede shopping for shoes)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The problem with using battery power instead of hydrocarbon chemical power is that it is not as thermodynamically efficient and it is economically uncompetitive by a wide margin. The laws of physics and economics are not going to change because some people don’t believe in them.


6 posted on 11/17/2019 10:14:56 AM PST by Dave Wright
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To: eyeamok

“Your typical Lithium Ion Battery only has about 500 Charges”

I wonder if it’s feasible to refurbish large batteries, or at least use the materials in the depleted ones to make new ones?

Overall I agree that solar and wind power won’t replace the major sources today, but solar has uses. Wind much less. I’m a nuclear guy.


7 posted on 11/17/2019 10:17:00 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: lilypad

and everyone of them has a house sized concrete and steel base under ground ,removing those will be a very big problem


8 posted on 11/17/2019 10:18:35 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Erik Latranyi

Socialism, delivered full time, hasn’t worked either.
So, yeah...


9 posted on 11/17/2019 10:18:45 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
2 Timothy 4:3 3For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

We are in those times. Men will not listen to reason, only what they want to believe. Hard to believe how God has put up with humanity for so long, we are such fools. He destroyed it once and said He would not do it again. And one wonders why there is so much suffering and evil with humanity as stupid as it is. Simple, sin and human nature are the problem. God must really love us to put up with foolish humans. We deserve nothing.

10 posted on 11/17/2019 10:19:13 AM PST by Fungi
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To: lilypad
Talk about a blight on the land environment.

The reality, one created by the enviro-wackos themselves.

11 posted on 11/17/2019 10:20:13 AM PST by CatOwner
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To: cymbeline
"I wonder if it’s feasible to refurbish large batteries, or at least use the materials in the depleted ones to make new ones?"

Lithium ion batteries can be recycled, so I imagine the ones in the desert will be stolen and sold on the Mexican side of the border.

12 posted on 11/17/2019 10:23:34 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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Well they have managed to kill millions of birds. I have to believe there will be some unforeseen consequence to that.


13 posted on 11/17/2019 10:27:52 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: Erik Latranyi
Wind and solar are "better then nothing". Which is why they work for off the grid houses. It is either carefully conserved small amounts of electricity or nothing.

However to run something larger, such as a factory, hospital or office building "carefully conserved small amounts of electricity" just do not cut it. You need large amounts of totally reliable electricity. And sometimes your demand will suddenly jump meaning that an excess supply has to be there.

14 posted on 11/17/2019 10:28:14 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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To: eyeamok

I get calls EVERY day about putting solar panels on my house and how much I’ll save. I always yell at them “This is Pennsylvania! We don’t have no sunshine!!”


15 posted on 11/17/2019 10:29:32 AM PST by Safetgiver (Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I believe a simple windmill to pump water into a storage tank works. I believe solar heating of water in certain climates makes sense. Solar energy to charge small systems/batteries in remote areas...sure. Other than that....fossil/nuclear are what we got now. of course, if you are into killing birds, try modern windmill and steam heaters. They are great!


16 posted on 11/17/2019 10:32:02 AM PST by Shark24
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To: Erik Latranyi

During the recent not last power shutdown in N. California.

A small winery/vineyard with so called Solar and wind power had to be shut down for an extra 3 days. That included the few neighbors on the same little grid.

Discussions with some people, who understand this issue said that bringing that little grid back on with solar, wind and PG&E was/is a complicated issue.

The owners are hard working liberals. The wife is a UC Bezerley grad, whose religion is reducing their carbon footprint.

Their two electric vehicles couldn’t be recharged and their vineyard only, old gas powered pickup can’t be driven off their vineyard as it does not meet green air standards.


17 posted on 11/17/2019 10:33:00 AM PST by Grampa Dave (If we have a civil war, the winners will be our enemies: Iran, China, Mexico, & Deep State thugs!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

All of these renewable energy subsidies are nothing more than legalized money laundering. The folks that make or broker these deals are nothing more than donors, who are getting their money back and then breaking off a little bit to the politicians that approve the subsidies, grants and loans.


18 posted on 11/17/2019 10:33:22 AM PST by qaz123
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To: Dave Wright
Okay knock off the rabid reality stuff. These dumb liberals are just trying to lower their carbon footprint or something like that!

The problem with using battery power instead of hydrocarbon chemical power is that it is not as thermo dynamically efficient and it is economically un competitive by a wide margin. The laws of physics and economics are not going to change because some people don’t believe in them.

19 posted on 11/17/2019 10:36:32 AM PST by Grampa Dave (If we have a civil war, the winners will be our enemies: Iran, China, Mexico, & Deep State thugs!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Lived off grid for ten years, still off grid capable and it does work fine on the small personal scale. But even with very good regular maintenance the batteries need to be replaced about every 5-6 years. Central heating and A/C was out of the question.


20 posted on 11/17/2019 10:36:57 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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