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Crimea occupying authorities to demolish Ukrainian Church's temple in Yevpatoria – Epifaniy
UNIAN ^ | 19, November 2019 | Epifaniy

Posted on 11/19/2019 7:12:14 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

What do you think about Ostrovsky’s comments at my comment #39. Do you too think societies need to forfeit their lifestyles and traditions to accommodate Muslims? Yes or no?
Simple question.

And once again, why a conflict with Russia is so important to you? Why perceived Ukrainian interest is more important than actual American interest to you.

Why do you insist that Russia is behind the hostile actions of Ukrainian officials. The officials installed by US after the US instigated coup removing elected Russian officials.

Because ‘intelligence community’ said you so? But then they said the elections were stolen from Hillary. What to believe and why all of it is Russian fault?


41 posted on 11/25/2019 7:04:29 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
If it wasn't for that Euromaidan coup Crimea would still be part of Ukraine. They can blame Soros, Nuland and McCain for losing it.
42 posted on 11/25/2019 7:23:30 PM PST by McGruff (Does no one is above the law apply to Democrats?)
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According to major Kong types exercising on this and related treads it is all a vast Russian conspiracy. Biden corruption, Chalupa, Yovanovich do not exist. Next thing they have to say for consistency is to repeat DNC talking points that Trump is a Putin’s puppet but... that’s a bridge too far for them on this board. I thing their alter egos are pushing the latter on DU.


43 posted on 11/25/2019 7:31:40 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Russian Occupiers in Ukraine are not unlike ISIS or illegals that attack our nation from within.

Truth is what is important to me. Not your interpretation & distortion to form fit your agenda.

I suspect this article may have application for you.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/trolls-hire-russia-s-freelance-disinformation-firms-offer-propaganda-professional-n1060781

You only demean & make foolish nonfactual retorts.
Take time to check resources. However, I know that you haven’t as Vice-News dispatches to give background you claim to want to understand. The dispatches alone would take 33.5 hrs to complete. Very interesting.. you wouldn’t be bored! But, I will not further respond to you publicly or privately as you are contentious by misrepresenting your true agenda of misinformation.


44 posted on 11/25/2019 9:51:51 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I ask you simple questions and you fall back to your propagandist tirades quoting discredited globalist sources.
And all this Russia-russia stuff.
You have a regime in Ukraine plotting with the American enemies against the Constitutional order in US and you are still backing them and inventing ridiculous excuses for them.


45 posted on 11/25/2019 11:06:28 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

You almost are correct. However, it should read:

You have a regime in RUSSIA with Russian terrorist in Ukraine [obsequious sycophant parasites that cling to the putin regime that plot AGAINST UKRAINE and the U.S.A. with American enemies [SOROS & traitorous Democrat ‘deep state’ assets Russian & Chinese assets Hillary, Reid, Schumer etc. etc, etc colluding with 7th floor lobbyist against the Constitutional order in US.


46 posted on 11/26/2019 5:02:45 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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First of all ‘pro-Russian’ rebels in Ukraine aren’t terrorists. There are no recorded cases of Confederates deliberately targeting civilians or using terrorist tactics EVER.
The same is not true for Ukrainian government troops and their militias. One of their members was captured well within Russian borders in Rostov-on-Don plotting to put a bomb in a supermarket. He wasn’t framed for it. Not only confessed to it in Russian custody, he was later exchanged for rebel captives and admitted and defended his actions on Ukrainian TV.
No Russian or ‘pro-Russian’ rebel EVER was ever doing something like that in Ukraine.

As for ‘regime in Russia’ plotting against ‘Ukraine and USA’ I have exactly two questions.
First of all why are you so partisan towards Ukraine routinely putting it on the same page as US? It is very unusual.

And second are you deaf and blind towards Bidengate?

In 2014 there was a coup and ‘regime in Russia’ lost ties to Ukraine effectively hijacked by globalists.

Who are the central figures in a conspiracy against Trump in Ukraine?

That’s presedent Poroshenko who took power after ‘Russia’ s regime’ was violently overthrown and the immediate executor of the operation was Artem Sytnyk. Sytnyk was a head of NABU - a law-enforcement agency established in Ukraine under demands of Joe Biden and fully controlled by FBI and US Department of State specifically to prevent ‘Russian leftovers’ meaning national Ukrainian judiciary from ‘corrupt wrongdoing’ meaning investigating Biden’s corruption. An FBI Sytnyk installed by the US government to oversee de-russification of Ukrainian government who was caught admitting he framed Manafort to damage Trump’s campaign.

Who of these particularly anti-Russian figures are ‘regime in Russia plotting against USA and (Ukraine-Lol).’?

Are you hinting Joe and Hunter Biden are Russians? Hillary Clinton, Tory Nuland and Jeff Pyatt Russians too? Maybe Poroshenko? Are US Department of State and FBI Russian organization?

Even if so although it is already absurd why did they being Russians executed a coup against the Russian-backed government?

Sorry, but your conspiracy is too absurd even by Alex Jones standard.

To believe into such a nonsense you need to have 20 points IQ or have an agenda and push it believing everyone listening to it is an idiot.


47 posted on 11/26/2019 6:06:08 AM PST by NorseViking
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I used to think you were just a low-informed Poster. Now, I believe you deliberately keep obfuscating the Ukraine,Russian issue. --------------------------------- UKRAINE FUNDAMENTALS Ukraine Euromaidan protest to join European Union for trade. After the overthrow of Yanukovich in the February 2014 Ukrainian revolution the new SBU head Valentyn Nalyvaichenko claimed to have found his new office building empty, saying "the agency's former leadership had all fled to Russia or Crimea. There were no operative files, no weapons. Institutionally, the place was totally destroyed". Nalyvaichenko also claimed that at that time the agency was heavily infiltrated by Russian spies. Indeed, Nalyvaichenko predecessor Oleksandr Yakymenko with about 15 former SBU top officials surfaced in Russia a few days later. At the end of 2014 235 SBU agents, including the former counterintelligence chief and his cousin, and hundreds of other operatives had been arrested and 25 high treason probes against Yanukovych-era SBU officials had been launched; also all regional directors had been changed, as well as half of their deputies. In July 2015 Nalyvaichenko claimed "There's no longer a TOTAL INFILTRATION OF RUSSIAN AGENTS. The danger is no longer as widespread". The arrested agents were replaced by new recruits from western Ukraine, many of them in their early twenties. To test loyalty, all SBU agents are subjected to recurrent interrogations and lie detector tests. In June 2015, the Kyiv Post reported that a deputy chief of the SBU, Vitaly Malikov, had supported events leading to the annexation of Crimea. According to February 2016 official figures of the Ukrainian parliamentary Committee on National Security, after Russia's annexation 10% of SBU personnel left Crimea. According to the SBU itself (in November 2017) 13% did so. In December 21, 2017, two Ukrainian civil servants were arrested by the SBU for spying on behalf of Russia, one of them being an SBU employee while the other worked for various cabinet ministers. In late 2018, the SBU carries out raids across the country targeting the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) churches and priests.[ 2014 Crimean crisis On 3 March 2014, Mamchur was given an ultimatum to surrender by Russian forces. He instead chose to march to a pro-Russian checkpoint with his men unarmed while only carrying the flag of the 62nd Fighter Aviation Regiment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNFj5fsEbHA The event marked the first time that weapons were fired in the Crimean crisis as Russian troops fired warning shots as Mamchur and his regiment approached. The regiment is well respected amongst Russian troops, including the historic events they went through in 1941. Mamchur and his regiment were stopped at a Russian blockade where he directly confronted the Russian troops by stating that, "It is our duty to safeguard the Constitution of Ukraine in keeping this base." The Russian troops eventually withdrew, while Mamchur, for twenty additional days, maintained his post in Belbek. On 23 March, Mamchur's base Belbek was overrun by Russian regular troops, being the last Ukrainian base to fall. Mamchur was verbally abused by pro-Russian militia and cossacks, but he refused to be provoked, and ordered his men to resist non-violently and sing the Ukrainian national anthem. Col Mamchuk say: "Last night our wives and children were at the gate protecting us. We did not join the army to be protected by our families, by civilians. We should be the ones protecting them. This morning we will march up there and show them that we are soldiers. We shall not respond to their provocation, but we shall claim back the parts of this base which has been occupied by a foreign power." Immediately he was then arrested. He was released three days later. According to Mamchur's aides he was being held in Sevastopol. Mamchur has stated he was, during this detention, under intense psychological pressure. “They kept me in a single confinement cell for 3.5 days. On the first day unidentified Russian troops kept constantly talking to me – they tried to persuade me to commit treason, betray the oath to the people of Ukraine, go serve in the Russian army. Then there was just psychological pressure – they would not let me sleep, knocked on the door with gun butts. I feel well, my mood is a fighting one. What will I do next? First, I will take a shower, then I will be making decisions. Glory to Ukraine!" BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM ON SECURITY ASSURANCES Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Belarus's, Kazakhstan's and Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents. The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result, between 1994 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Before that, Ukraine had the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile,of which Ukraine had physical if not operational control. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian-controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system. Following the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation in 2014, the US, Canada, the UK, along with other countries, stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum, a Memorandum transmitted to the United Nations under the signature of Sergei Lavrov, amongst others, and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.
48 posted on 11/26/2019 8:38:55 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

You wrote it to yourself so that I won’t reply?

How would you explain the framing of Manafort by FBI-installed anti-Russian NABU director? The one installed after ‘popular uprising’?

It is not if your explanation needed because it is all on wiretaps.

As for Ukrainian history you are keep repeating tired globalist lies.
The
That is important is Ukraine was in top 10 World economies in 1992 upon declaring independence.

It was under pro-Western governments most of the time since and now in between Madagascar and Zimbabwe.

Nuclear weapon are irrelevant. You mentioned Belarus and Kazakhstan here who given them up too. One thing for sure no one in Belarus or Kazakhstan envies any thing Ukrainian. That’s to put it mildly.


49 posted on 11/26/2019 9:32:48 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Sorry about previous post:

Ukraine history, it did not separate paragraphs correctly because of gif.

I used to think you were just a low-information Poster. Now, I believe you deliberately keep obfuscating the

Ukraine,Russian issue.
It is ALL about Russia manipulation and terrorism activity of Ukraine

UKRAINE FUNDAMENTALS Ukraine Euromaidan protest to join European Union for trade. After the overthrow of Yanukovich in the February 2014 Ukrainian revolution the new SBU head Valentyn Nalyvaichenko claimed to have found his new office building empty, saying “the agency’s former leadership had all fled to Russia or Crimea. There were no operative files, no weapons. Institutionally, the place was totally destroyed”.

Nalyvaichenko also claimed that at that time the agency was heavily infiltrated by Russian spies. Indeed, Nalyvaichenko predecessor Oleksandr Yakymenko with about 15 former SBU top officials surfaced in Russia a few days later. At the end of 2014 235 SBU agents, including the former counterintelligence chief and his cousin, and hundreds of other operatives had been arrested and 25 high treason probes against Yanukovych-era SBU officials had been launched; also all regional directors had been changed, as well as half of their deputies.

In July 2015 Nalyvaichenko claimed “There’s no longer a TOTAL INFILTRATION OF RUSSIAN AGENTS. The danger is no longer as WIDESPREAD”. The arrested agents were replaced by new recruits from western Ukraine, many of them in their early twenties. To test loyalty, all SBU agents are subjected to recurrent interrogations and lie detector tests.

In June 2015, the Kyiv Post reported that a deputy chief of the SBU, Vitaly Malikov, had supported events leading to the annexation of Crimea. According to February 2016 official figures of the Ukrainian parliamentary Committee on National Security, after Russia’s annexation 10% of SBU personnel left Crimea. According to the SBU itself (in November 2017) 13% did so.

In December 21, 2017, two Ukrainian civil servants were arrested by the SBU for spying on behalf of Russia, one of them being an SBU employee while the other worked for various cabinet ministers.

In late 2018, the SBU carries out raids across the country targeting the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) churches and priests.

2014 CRIMEAN CRISIS
On 3 March 2014, Mamchur was given an ultimatum to surrender by Russian forces. He instead chose to march to a pro-Russian checkpoint with his men unarmed while only carrying the flag of the 62nd Fighter Aviation Regiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNFj5fsEbHA

The event marked the first time that weapons were fired in the Crimean crisis as Russian troops fired warning shots as Mamchur and his regiment approached. The regiment is well respected amongst Russian troops, including the historic events they went through in 1941.

Mamchur and his UNARMED regiment were stopped at a Russian blockade where he directly confronted the Russian troops by stating that, “It is OUR DUTY to safeguard the CONSTITUTION OF UKRAINE in keeping this base.”

The Russian troops eventually withdrew, while Mamchur, for twenty additional days, maintained his post in Belbek.

On 23 March, Mamchur’s base Belbek was overrun by Russian regular troops, being the last Ukrainian base to fall. Mamchur was verbally abused by pro-Russian militia and cossacks, but he refused to be provoked, and ordered his men to resist non-violently and sing the Ukrainian national anthem.

Col Mamchuk say: “Last night our wives and children were at the gate protecting us. We did not join the army to be protected by our families, by civilians. We should be the ones protecting them. This morning we will march up there and show them that we are soldiers. We shall not respond to their provocation, but we shall claim back the parts of this base which has been occupied by a foreign power.” Immediately he was then arrested. He was released three days later. According to Mamchur’s aides he was being held in Sevastopol. Mamchur has stated he was, during this detention, under intense psychological pressure. They kept me in a single confinement cell for 3.5 days. On the first day unidentified Russian troops kept constantly talking to me – they tried to persuade me to commit treason, betray the oath to the people of Ukraine, go serve in the Russian army. Then there was just psychological pressure – they would not let me sleep, knocked on the door with gun butts. I feel well, my mood is a fighting one.

What will I do next? First, I will take a shower, then I will be making decisions. Glory to Ukraine!”

BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM ON SECURITY ASSURANCES Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Belarus’s, Kazakhstan’s and Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents. The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

As a result, between 1994 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine GAVE UP THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Before that, Ukraine had the world’s THIRD LARGEST NUCLEAR STOCKPILE, of which Ukraine had physical if not operational control. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian-controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.

Following the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation in 2014, the US, Canada, the UK, along with other countries, stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum, a Memorandum transmitted to the United Nations under the signature of Sergei Lavrov, amongst others, and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.


50 posted on 11/26/2019 1:34:56 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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"This is BS Ukrainian disinformation.

Russia does not demolish churches in this modern era. And you cannot cite a single example from a mainstream source."

Oh, my, that post did not age very well!

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3423396-russian-invaders-destroy-19thcentury-wooden-church-in-zhytomyr-region.html

51 posted on 03/20/2022 5:29:43 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (RONALD REAGAN, over any American President, GOP or Dem, reflects my political/moral values)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You call that a mainstream source?

Laughable.


52 posted on 03/20/2022 7:54:21 AM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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I recognise that it is a blocked new source in Russia along with many other outside news sources.


53 posted on 03/20/2022 9:44:17 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (RONALD REAGAN, over any American President, GOP or Dem, reflects my political/moral values)
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