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1 posted on 11/20/2019 4:49:16 AM PST by Kaslin
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All you need to know about global warming and rising sea levels...

Obama just purchased a $16 million beach house.


2 posted on 11/20/2019 4:53:45 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with islamic terrorists - they want to die for allah and we want to kill them.)
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There’s no grant money to be had if you admit Global Warming is a hoax.


3 posted on 11/20/2019 4:55:45 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would be have noandards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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When sea levels rise, they rise everywhere. The beaches I want to as a kid are the same now as they were then.


4 posted on 11/20/2019 4:57:14 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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Both.
5 posted on 11/20/2019 4:59:28 AM PST by rlmorel (Finding middle ground with tyranny or evil makes you either a tyrant or evil. Often both.)
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Paid off by special interests!


6 posted on 11/20/2019 5:01:09 AM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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Dishonest. Afraid.

For sale.


7 posted on 11/20/2019 5:02:08 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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Not all scientists are dishonest and not all news reporters are leftists with an agenda

I'm sure there lots of honest "climate scientists" and unbiased MSM "reporters" < /sarcasm>

8 posted on 11/20/2019 5:02:49 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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10 posted on 11/20/2019 5:05:16 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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I can name lots of honest climate people, there’s ..., wait, and there is .... hmmmm. Give me a minute, I am sure I can come up with a name, just need more time to think about it.


11 posted on 11/20/2019 5:06:26 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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not all news reporters are leftists with an agenda

True. Only 97% of them are

13 posted on 11/20/2019 5:07:57 AM PST by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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Scientists should be objective. They should search for the truth without bias. Science is not a matter for belief.

But it isn’t! Huge numbers of “scientists” are liberals who got into science to change the world. The Scientific American, a magazine that was once a respected, real science magazine, has become a liberal rag.


16 posted on 11/20/2019 5:11:41 AM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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Scientists used to work in relative obscurity. Eventually a few names would pop up, like Pasteur, Curie, Einstein, Salk, etc., but unless they won a Nobel prize or came up with findings that led to something very substantive, no one really knew them except those who worked in the same field. That is no longer the case.

Now, ‘getting your name out there’, going to or organizing big conferences at which the scientific ‘stars’ are wined and dined, and becoming somewhat of a celebrity in your field is the draw. So, the science is less trustworthy now than it has been maybe ever.

This is also promoted by universities. The ‘leadership’ at these places are often political hacks with little understanding of what constitutes good science, and their criteria for whether someone is successful or not is the amount of grant money they bring in and how well known they are.

People like Mann are emblematic of the ‘connected’ and known science mafia who control way too much and who suppress competitors and those whose data conflict with their own.

So, yes, there are plenty of scientists who are dishonest and who will fudge or overstate data to further their careers, and there are scientists who are afraid of these people - because they can suppress or ruin your career.

20 posted on 11/20/2019 5:16:58 AM PST by neverevergiveup
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I once saw a government RFP that stated something to the effect that proposals that didn’t include a discussion of climate change wouldn’t automatically be rejected.


22 posted on 11/20/2019 5:19:57 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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Heller does a great job. He is a software engineer as well as a geologist and nature enthusiast. He is funded by donations by fans of his you tube channel and the like when he is not working as,an engineer.


23 posted on 11/20/2019 5:20:38 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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There are numerous historical examples of scientists kow towing to the prevailing religious, political and cultural winds. In Germany over one hundred of the most prominent German physicists signed a letter denouncing Einstein and his theory of relativity not on a scientific basis but because he was Jewish. In Russia, all biologists and geneticists had to praise and accept the bizarre theories of Lysenko who was Stalin’s favorite. In the United States medical scientists who challenge the prevailing nonsensical new orthodoxy regarding homosexuality and gender are harassed and punished.

Power and gold make the rules but cannot alter or establish truth.


25 posted on 11/20/2019 5:24:45 AM PST by allendale (.)
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If they had qualities such as integrity, professionalism, ethics and the like, they would follow the scientific method. Whatever theories were proven or dis-proven, conclusions reached...they would follow the data.

They obviously do not. The conclusions are reached, couched in the popular terms du-jour, and in accordance with the proclivities of the funding source. Then the data and methodology are manipulated to support that conclusion. They have abandoned the scientific method. They misuse and abuse computer modelling to the point that in "climate research" computer modeling is analogous to CGI support in making a movie - the script is written and the B-roll shot, just fill in the blanks...

This makes so-called "climate scientists" generally, in fact almost completely dishonest as a group. The few with any integrity left have apparently been summarily run out of the field. Thus the fear factor. Those who might actually want to do the right thing, explore real science in the field are afraid of being knocked out of the field if they do.

Chances are, if someone is an active "climate scientist" or "climate researcher" today, they are almost certainly both dishonest and afraid.

26 posted on 11/20/2019 5:31:14 AM PST by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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I was reading about how ancient peoples would offer sacrifices in the winter to ensure the onset of spring. These sacrifices were often costly and, if spring didn’t arrive, would put their survival in jeopardy.

If spring always arrived, wouldn’t the sacrifice be unnecessary?

The point being, spring didn’t always arrive. There have been times in the past where it stayed cold, whether due to volcanic eruptions putting ash in the air and causing the earth to cool, or possibly asteroid strikes doing something similar.

The “climate” of the earth has always been in flux. Using only the past couple of hundred of years as a baseline, as some measure of perfection that needs to be maintained, is folly.

We would be much better served using our technology to prepare for and deal with inevitable swings in our temperature, instead of trying to prevent them.


30 posted on 11/20/2019 5:38:46 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world's wealth."

Follow the money.
In almost every case in today's world, follow the money.

36 posted on 11/20/2019 5:49:19 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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From the article. "Not all scientists are dishonest and not all news reporters are leftists with an agenda."

But that's the way to bet.

40 posted on 11/20/2019 7:20:40 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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A good, entertaining book, useful for rebuttals.
46 posted on 11/20/2019 2:35:31 PM PST by Oatka
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