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Fraud in Higher Education
Townhall.com ^ | December 4, 2019 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 12/04/2019 3:50:12 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: A_perfect_lady

Conservatives are smart enough to know that the system is “gamed”. Look at the distribution of liberal to conservative teachers (I’ve seen the ratio placed as high as 12-1). Who picks what teachers will be hired to fill openings?

The system is too broken to be fixed. The only workable solution is to give fed, state and local funding directly to the parents of students at all levels and to let them pick and pay for school that they want their child to attend (including home schooling).

True competition will drive reform and improvement.


21 posted on 12/04/2019 6:58:28 AM PST by PTBAA
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To: John O
NOTE however that there should be no government student aid.
I used the GI Bill (plus savings) to get a doctorate and later to reduce the down-payment on a house. I considered it compensation for low pay as an draftee.
22 posted on 12/04/2019 7:01:59 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: McGavin999

College professors do not belong to teachers’ unions, which are for k-12 teachers only. And I haven’t heard about any college profs walking off the job. Might help to read the title “Fraud in *Higher* Education”.


23 posted on 12/04/2019 7:13:10 AM PST by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: John O

The government grants and loans are the economic base of the scam. Without that, college applications would collapse and colleges would have to shape up in order to survive.


24 posted on 12/04/2019 7:33:54 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: FormerFRLurker

I read the headline and I also read the article. Most of the kids being accepted have to take remedial classes.......because of the FAILURE of the K-12 teachers who are members of unions. They don’t teach critical thinking.


25 posted on 12/04/2019 7:34:26 AM PST by McGavin999 (“Look into it” does not mean dig up dirt, it means find the truth)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I agree that most all the focus has been on the parents’ arrests and court proceedings. I’ve heard little or nothing about the college/university officials providing the services. It seems to me their actions are much more serious. Weren’t they personally profiting from the selling of college admission access? Isn’t this similar to drug users and drug dealers in the court system? Aren’t the dealers dealt with more seriously? While here we see nothing happening with sellers (college officials)

Am I missing something?


26 posted on 12/04/2019 7:35:59 AM PST by Old Man From WV
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To: imardmd1
Poor students take up valuable instructors’ time,

REally?

My experience was "here's the material; you learn it. I'm going on sabbatical."

27 posted on 12/04/2019 8:17:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

Bookmark


28 posted on 12/04/2019 8:36:29 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Elsie
Well, maybe you're right. Or maybe you have to report for the class you paid for, and a TA will just take the roll call. I don't know what they do these days. Or maybe you'll get a much better mark in the final if the prof hasn't turned up at all to mess up your head . . .
29 posted on 12/04/2019 9:12:43 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: FormerFRLurker; McGavin999; Elsie
College professors do not belong to teachers’ unions, which are for k-12 teachers only.

Oh, but they do, have for years. From the AAUP-CBC site:

Consistent with its articulation and defense of professional standards, the AAUP formed the Collective Bargaining Congress (AAUP-CBC) in 1976 to help organize and strengthen the efforts of AAUP collective bargaining chapters throughout the nation. Since then, collective bargaining chapters of the AAUP have developed a distinctive kind of unionism that responds to the missions of American colleges and universities.
You see?
30 posted on 12/04/2019 9:23:36 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: Hiddigeigei
I used the GI Bill (plus savings)

GI bill is not student aid. It is payment back to you for the time and sacrifices you made to serve your country.

31 posted on 12/04/2019 9:58:47 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Rockingham
The government grants and loans are the economic base of the scam. Without that, college applications would collapse and colleges would have to shape up in order to survive.

Exactly correct. And that is why there should be no government student aid.

32 posted on 12/04/2019 10:00:09 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Hiddigeigei

I would never consider the GI Bill as “aid”, it was an earned benefit. “Aid” goes to people who couldn’t or wouldn’t earn it.


33 posted on 12/04/2019 10:37:58 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: PTBAA
Look at the distribution of liberal to conservative teachers (I’ve seen the ratio placed as high as 12-1). Who picks what teachers will be hired to fill openings?

That's a lame excuse to avoid even trying. I got hired in LOS ANGELES and I am conservative. I give the kids articles from Breitbart to read. I teach no left wing crap at all. I was on FR 6 years before I even became a teacher. And I'm former military and it was in my resume, so they knew who they were getting. No, this lame, sorry, crying "they're too much for us" BS is not flying with me.

34 posted on 12/04/2019 1:17:04 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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To: Kaslin; 100American; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...

PING!


35 posted on 12/04/2019 8:29:25 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: McGavin999

Thanks for clarifying that; it wasn’t apparent in your original post.


36 posted on 12/04/2019 10:46:58 PM PST by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: John O
And that is why there should be no government student aid.

and a TREMENDOUS cut back in the NON-student kind as well!

37 posted on 12/05/2019 3:43:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Right. But the problem is cultural We now have a culture of watching film, video, TV, and the ever-present phones. No one reads or reads to kids.

It’s a vast medium change and we have lost the enormous power of the printed word, which can be absorbed at one’s own pace and reread if necessary.


38 posted on 12/05/2019 4:16:17 AM PST by firebrand
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To: John O

That is a crazy reply.


39 posted on 12/05/2019 4:17:39 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Yup

Kinda like Fahrenheit 451 without the flames

40 posted on 12/05/2019 4:38:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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