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Fatally flawed 737 MAX had significantly higher crash risk, FAA concluded
CNN ^ | Dec 2019 | Rene Marsh, Greg Wallace

Posted on 12/11/2019 2:52:33 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

A government analysis after the first Boeing 737 MAX crash last fall found the jets were at a significant risk for future crashes, but the agency did not ground the planes until after a second crash.

Those two crashes killed 346 people.

A Federal Aviation Administration analysis document predicted there would be more than 15 additional fatal crashes of the MAX over its lifetime, and was made public Wednesday at a House Transportation Committee hearing. Administrator Stephen Dickson said that based on that document and "what I know today," he would have acted to ground the plane had he been administrator at the time.

Dickson defended the agency's decision making, which he said is "data driven." He took office in August, long after the analysis and grounding decisions were made.

"With all due respect, any indication that any level of accidents are acceptable is not reflective of the 45,000 dedicated professionals at the FAA," he said.

One of the whistleblowers, Ed Pierson, is a former Boeing employee who worked on the 737 MAX program and raised concerns about internal pressure at Boeing...

Dickson, the FAA administrator, said in an interview on CNBC prior to his testimony that he expects the grounding of the plane to "extend into 2020." Regulators have at least 10 additional steps to complete before the 737 Max can fly again, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 737max; aerospace; aviation; boeing; boeing737max; faa
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1 posted on 12/11/2019 2:52:33 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I don’t know if I will ever feel comfortable flying on that airplane, assuming it eventually flies again.


2 posted on 12/11/2019 3:01:38 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"Pilots try to pull up, but software keeps pushing nose down"

"The 737 Max crashes stem from severe design issues and flagrant cost-cutting efforts, not software issues".

Sounds like these two neighboring sentences are in a bit of disagreement.
3 posted on 12/11/2019 3:07:40 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“Not Software Issues”

That is the biggest pile of BS every spoken.

I am not saying that it was all software, But come on. The software was at 1st grade level in its complexity. It is not entirely the programmers fault(Except that they should have refused to accept the specifications). But more about who came up with the software specifications.

The software was far too aggressive in trim adjustment.

The software did not limit its max trim adjustment.

The software did not disengage to allow the pilot full manual control.

The software did not look at enough various types of sensors in order to determine sensor faults.

The software made no determination that the plane was far too close to the ground to attempt to tip the nose down. That such an action had a 100% chance of crashing the plane.

The list goes on.


4 posted on 12/11/2019 3:10:35 PM PST by Revel
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Peter Strozk wrote the code for the 737 Max.


5 posted on 12/11/2019 3:15:36 PM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Does Horowitz’s moonlight for FAA?


6 posted on 12/11/2019 3:30:50 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: colorado tanker

Watching episodes of “Why Planes Crash” who the hell would want to fly on Boeings flying coffins? Back in the 70’s and 80’s I had to fly a lot for my job. Lot’s of early model 737’s. No problems. Not anymore.


7 posted on 12/11/2019 3:44:37 PM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Yo-Yo

The question is starting to be asked: Will the 737-MAX ever fly again?


8 posted on 12/11/2019 3:52:08 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: Bonemaker
"Aloha" all right.


9 posted on 12/11/2019 3:52:31 PM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"The 737 Max crashes stem from severe design issues and flagrant cost-cutting efforts, not software issues".

Someone is pushing an agenda. Obviously there were serious problems with the software, or at least with the way the software was implemented.

10 posted on 12/11/2019 4:03:45 PM PST by TChad
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To: MeganC
The question is being asked, but the answer is "of course it will, it's just a matter of when."

FAA chief says Boeing 737 Max recertification process to stretch into 2020

Looks like Jim Robinson will get a nice New Year's present from me, but rest assured, the Max will fly again.

11 posted on 12/11/2019 4:09:54 PM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Revel

“Not Software Issues”

That’s what you get when use $9 hour H1B hires from India

You get what you pay for ………….


12 posted on 12/11/2019 4:10:55 PM PST by njslim
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To: colorado tanker

45,000 employees at the FAA?!?


13 posted on 12/11/2019 4:13:29 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“Sounds like these two neighboring sentences are in a bit of disagreement. “

not really; the software performed exactly how it was intended to perform, unfortunately that intent results in fatal crashes ...


14 posted on 12/11/2019 4:14:10 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: monkeyshine

“45,000 employees at the FAA?!?”

They even have an armed police force that harasses people who do things like FedEx a 2 ounce vial of hydraulic fluid (properly packaged) because the mailing-person didn’t watch a 30 minute video on how to properly package such fluid, despite the fluid being perfectly packaged in accordance with the regulations (and no incident occurred).

Specifically, a secretary in our office who when to the FedEx store, asked how to FedEx it, the FedEx people packaged it correctly, and sent it.

But the video was not watched.

They threatened said old lady secretary with 10 years in prison. We had to hire her a lawyer.


15 posted on 12/11/2019 4:26:48 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: catnipman
"the software performed exactly how it was intended to perform"

Sure, someone designed that software and it worked exactly as they designed it. How do you divide the blame? Do you give it to the people who designed the software, to those who decided to put bigger engines on a plane built for smaller ones, or to those who thought software correction was a good work around? Or is it just an act of God that the software took control of the plane away from the pilots, leaving them powerless?
16 posted on 12/11/2019 4:35:04 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It is not that the MCAS system pushes the nose down a little bit as was certified, but it pushes the nose down a lot of bit, 10 times the expected amount, and causes a nose down dive.


17 posted on 12/11/2019 4:37:59 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Revel
The software did not disengage to allow the pilot full manual control.

Nothing more needs to be said . -Tom

18 posted on 12/11/2019 4:39:53 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: colorado tanker

Yeah especially with $9/hr Indian H1Bs coding critical embedded flight control systems


19 posted on 12/11/2019 5:00:29 PM PST by Starcitizen (American. No hypenation necessary. Send the H1B and H4EAD slime home. American jobs for Americans)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
The particular market segment was being threatened by the new Bombardier C series jet that was in development. To cut that new plane off at the pass Boeing decided to quickly upgrade the 737 and wipe out a lot of potential sales for the new budding plane. That worked to a large extent as the C series started out with anemic sales and then required a lot of subsidization and eventually led to a buyout of the plane by Airbus. That tactic by Boeing may have won the battle but cost them far more than they realized.
20 posted on 12/11/2019 5:07:36 PM PST by xp38
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