Posted on 12/14/2019 12:26:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Re: post 47
“There’s nothing private about the majority of homosexuals and the homosexual agenda!”
I don’t believe that every homosexual has an agenda. I know a number of homosexuals that few even know they are. I’m not, but you can’t know that. Some people are nudists. Know who they are? I’m a Mason. Did you know that?
If you want to be concerned about a sect, then do you know who the terrorists are? They look like those who are not terrorists. And there are 202 known multi person groups in the world and growing every day. Do you have a muslim you trust not to be a terrorist? He/she may be a great person. But if they go to mosques or Islamic Centers they are funding terrorists. Does that make them bad or just uneducated or stupid? And stupid you can’t fix. Please don’t bundle all people into a profile. They’ll fool you every time.
rwood
No, it is wrong. But in our time and place, our society has managed to fend off and dump the consequences of sin on others, mostly the less powerful. One group that has suffered a lot is children, due to adults just living for what they think is their own happiness in this life.
A recent article posted here discussed how male homosexuality wasn’t approved of in the ancient world as the propaganda today advertises it was. Only the “top” role in sodomy was considered acceptable, while the “bottom” role was a degraded position. And, even today, medical authorities consider anal sex to be highly risky. This, despite all of modern medicine, of which a lot of money is spent on curing and trying to prevent the ills of this type of sex. One can only imagine, then, the probably effects of it in the ancient world, especially on the person, who was most often a slave or boy, in the “bottom” role.
Considering God’s Word, though, the rise of homosexuality is just one of many ways in which society today has turned from Christ.
“Considering God’s Word, though, the rise of homosexuality is just one of many ways in which society today has turned from Christ.”
It isn’t just today. And how I feel about it is not important. I accept it as lawful. That is the only point about it that relates to me as long as they keep it in their bedroom. And is it their lot in life to live it in unhappiness?
History reveals many people of homosexual persuasion that added a lot, good and bad to society. Alexander the Great, Andy Warhol, Oscar Wilde, Alan Turing, Michelangelo, Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Liberace, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Cole Porter, Leonard Bernstein, Walt Whitman, Lord Byron, Giovanni Versace, and to end this list but not the entire one I could put here, Charles Laughton. Each one of these men had a talent that improved or changed humanity in some way. But their sexual choice had nothing to do with it. So what’s the problem with a homosexual judge that has displayed a conservative behavior?
Right or wrong, it makes no difference.
rwood
Not saying I agree with, or even understand all the aspects of homosexuality - just saying that it doesn’t appear that they all merely make a choice for carnal gratification, and many are just wanting to be productive citizens instead of the hard-core sicko activists.
Thousands of people died from contracting HIV due to what was done in private between homosexual men who relied on modern medicine to cure the known STDs of the time that they were giving each other.
And I don’t believe that homosexual relationships actually provide happiness.
Then homosexuals want to raise children, sacrificing the child’s happiness for their own.
There may still be more people who have rejected living as homosexuals than those actually doing it, and they reject because it’s wrong and it’s more obvious to them that it doesn’t produce the happiness that “gay” lobbyists claim that it does.
God’s Word is clear about the fact that such relationships are sin. Since they are sin, they are harmful and not truly sources of happiness, but of unhappiness.
What truly provides happiness is being reconciled to God through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as one’s Lord and savior. That helps put into perspective one’s different types of desires, including that homosexual don’t provide true happiness.
I don’t disagree - I also know that straight people are still sinners and except for the relationship with Jesus, we would ALL be doomed.
I know that I either commit a sinful act or have a thought of one at least daily - since I have been redeemed by the Blood of Jesus, God chooses to not recognize my sinfulness and hold it against me.
If straight folks who have come to Jesus cannot be and act as pure as He did when He walked among men, why should we have the expectations that homosexuals would be able to do so?
“Since they are sin, they are harmful and not truly sources of happiness, but of unhappiness.”
That depends on who you are. If a person is happy with himself/herself, are they not content? And the definition of happiness is different for every person as is the level of contentedness required.
Using religion as the answer to happiness is only one avenue, one the homosexual has not chosen. But are they any less happy with their choice of lifestyle? Same as religious people, which is a choice, some are and some aren’t completely happy. God gave the choice, some take it some don’t.
Homosexuality is a choice and not a forced parameter. There is no homosexual gene proven, so as a choice, it is psychological, not physical. And therefore has to be driven by something other than a proven difference in physicality. Just people making a choice. And as long as they keep it to themselves, and do not expect preferences or forced acceptance, then they are no different than the nudist, the fraternal member, or the guy with the voice that only sings in the shower. It doesn’t bother me, harm me, or change my choice. Keep it that way, and the homosexual person can be a plus to society, it makes no difference. I’m not in his/her bedroom. And at the same time, they aren’t in mine.
rwood
We’re to be reconciled to God, to agree with Him on what’s right and wrong. Jesus talked about the broad way taken by many to destruction and the narrow way by few to life, and He and the rest of God’s Word also warn people on the dangers of worldliness, including “the cares of this world” and “the deceitfulness of riches” causing people to turn away from faith in Him. We’re also to be a light in this world. Because others have done this, I myself came to recognize and accept that I needed to repent of all sin and put my trust in Him. I’m thankful for the faithful people throughout the ages who have stood for the truth and directed people in the true direction they should go.
On all that, God’s Word says otherwise, including that it’s something that can be kept to oneself. Disobedience to God always harms others as well as ourselves.
“Disobedience to God always harms others as well as ourselves.”
If it’s kept in the bedroom, and not displayed for the public, how can it harm anyone but the person, and his other, if it is not known. The minute a group decides to single out and ostracize a person from the whole for something that is none of anyone’s business and is kept that way as much as possible, creates a group of actions worse than the Salem with hunt.
Ever heard of Christine Darden? Or Frances Northcutt. Women weren’t allowed to work in major positions at NASA. There’s a list of women at NASA that made standing on the moon a reality. They’re considered a minority.
And thanks to the Trump economy, there are 5.2 million more people in the United States with jobs than at the end of 2016, and 4.5 million of them are minorities. And minorities are different.
We need to get past the separation by diversity and begin to be concerned with the success of improvement. We can’t harm our possibilities for a problem, hidden at that, of one of the movers and shakers. It’s what Trump was saying with Make America Great Again...MAGA. And you don’t do it with banishment of a contributor for something in his bedroom. That is a step back.
The greatest mathematician that ever lived, Albert Einstein, gave up his citizenship in Germany and left for the US. He was Jewish, another difference. Sister Maura Clarke was a Catholic nun that was raped and slaughtered in El Salvador. She was different because of her religion and compassion. there are a lot more people.
Try reading Hosea 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge’
Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water. This is the US. We have the privilege of our opinion if it doesn’t harm anyone. Give him his. Right now, except for the hidden display sexual differences, that opinion looks a lot like every other conservative I like. And he’s out there in the trenches fighting for you and me. We can use the help.
rwood
All that doesn’t reflect God’s priorities. I’ll follow what His Word says. In it He demonstrates how things, including all sin, affect other people. Heaven is a perfect place where only the perfect can enter. No human is perfect, but we can be made perfect, so that we will always trust and obey the Lord and so are fit for Heaven, through Jesus Christ. In our time and place today especially, though, many people have rejected that.
I’m not an overly religious person. But I have studied some and have my own theories.
Our culture uses Matthew 7:1 “Judge not lest ye be judged” to promote a tolerance that often encourages acceptance of behaviors the Bible forbids. We know that wasn’t Jesus’ intention. So, what did Jesus mean when He told us not to judge?
To judge means: to separate, to pick out, select, choose. By implication, it means to condemn, punish—avenge, conclude. It also carries the idea of having discernment. The passage where Jesus said, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” Matthew 7:1 goes on to show us how to have discernment by employing wisdom and sensitivity. Love is the proper motivation for not judging and for using good judgment when you do.
Good judgment concludes that as long as the one or group you are judging does no harm, it can neither be put in the category of those like that do or blamed for their wrongs. You can’t consider everyone with German ancestry, or having relatives that were criminals in their past wrong by association. Otherwise, you’re discriminating and making them the enemy instead of the person that could help you by not treating them for their successes.
Do you think all white people are bad because at one time some of the white people owned slaves here in the US? Do you think the white people today, who wish, and do, no harm to black people, should be punished for history? We’ve come a long way and I for one appreciate the work by everyone that is part of our success here in the US. And if I have to judge, I will keep it at determining the worth of people based upon the right they accomplish versus the wrong they bring about. But if a dog bites me, do I destroy everything that looks and acts like a dog? Or just that dog? Or did I do something to get bit and destroying the dog would be wrong. Remember, when you point at someone else with your finger, there are three other fingers pointing right back at you.
God’s intention is not that we live our lives in a constant tug of war. We are to protect and guide each other by speaking the truth in love. You may not like his truth, but he openly gave it to you. It’s how you process it with your lifestyle, fears, upbringing, and current wants and wishes, that makes it your determination. Used it wisely for the best you can reach. Don’t waste it.
rwood
Jesus said in John 3 that a person must be born again to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. And for the Kingdom of Heaven to be Heaven, people have to be doing what’s right. Otherwise it will be just like this world, where people do what they think is right, and often they don’t see how they’re hurting others and may not even care if they do. No, Heaven must be perfect, and to be perfect, it must have perfect people who always do what’s right. And the only way for there to be perfect people and for them to know what’s right and to do it is for people to be reconciled to God through His Son, who comes to live inside a person and through the Holy Spirit, a person is guided to what’s right and to want to do what’s right. In this sin-cursed world, a Christian won’t be able to act perfectly, but once he or she enters His Kingdom, they will be happy to follow the Lord and submit to Him in all things.
There is no room in all this for people to decide on their own what’s good and what’s not while ignoring any of God’s teachings and instructions. That would be like saying here that someone will obey the important, just laws that he likes and not obey the important, just ones that he doesn’t.
I have tried to come up with anything he has said or done that relates to religion. So he isn’t interested in Heaven that I can find. So religion is not an issue with him. Why should it be with you to determine he shouldn’t be there?
You have that one problem with him. His job will be to interpret Constitutional law and civil law. Neither has anything to do with his religious beliefs if he is just using law. It is spelled out. The problem is too many liberal appointees have been changing law on the bench. And you are already determining he is going to go against your religious beliefs.
But you need to understand his history:
His experience advancing the cause of the Republican Party is extensive. Bumatay, a member of the Federalist Society since 2003, worked on the Bush/Cheney campaign in both 2000 and 2004. He was President of the Yale College Republicans and Vice President of the Harvard Law School Republicans. After law school and a clerkship with Judge Timothy Tymkovich, he worked at the Justice Department on the confirmations of Chief Justice John Roberts and Samuel Alito and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey. After President Trump became president, he left his role as a line prosecutor and volunteered to be detailed to work beside senior political leadership at the Justice Department. While there, he was recognized for his work on Neil Gorsuch’s confirmation.
There’s more. But like I was saying, you’re throwing out the baby with the bath water. Take your problem away for his religious, or non-religious beliefs, and you got a Trump judge that is put in the 9th circuit court to try to get away from their anti-American stances like trying to take “in God we trust” off our tender, and under God from our pledge. I am overjoyed he’s there. His history is perfect for that headache.
rwood
There could be a similar resume for many Republicans who want Trump impeached right now.
The ultimate matter, though, is that he’s a candidate that is definitely against Christianity and will work against it. And he already openly represents the Republican Party turning away from Christ and God’s Word. That is what the God’s Word instructs, and if one believes God’s Word and is born again through His Son, then one can see how that works.
“The ultimate matter, though, is that he’s a candidate that is definitely against Christianity and will work against it. And he already openly represents the Republican Party turning away from Christ and God’s Word.”
It’s not the ultimate matter if it is not within any parts of the formula except by the liberal media. I tried to find anywhere in the mountains of entries against him where he once said he was against religion of any type. I found none. Just because he doesn’t live the life you call religious and representing God, doesn’t make him an activist against religion.
Like I tried to say in my posts, his thoughts have nothing to do with moralities, pro or con, and are based on legalities. If he is so dangerous to the courts then why were both liberal senators from his state up in arms about his confirmation and his confirmation vote directly on party lines available at 53 - 40 with 5, either way, abstaining or balancing the vote like liberal repub Collins. If he is such an anti-religious activist, do you really thing he’d get that many go votes?
I can see you are really concerned about religious possibilities. But there has to be something to show an attack on it to be a concern for me. And to be honest, your generous disapproval of his confirmation based upon his sexual choice limits Trump in his decision trying to help you. But you support Trump. And Butamay would be a champion of the libs when he was confirmed if he was as you say, anti-religious. And it was Trump’s decision to nominate.
If you are a Trump supporter, then why do you side with the liberals on this situation? There must be some reason he was nominated despite his choice. And I think it’s called qualification and historical support. Sorry you disagree with Trump’s nomination. I think it’s sound.
rwood
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