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Defiance Through Compliance: The Deep State Hoodwink on Gun Free Military Bases
AmmoLand ^ | 13 December, 2019 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/15/2019 4:28:46 AM PST by marktwain

In 2015, in an exclusive interview on Ammoland, Candidate (now President) Donald Trump promised he would mandate that soldiers remain armed and alert at our military bases. From AmmoLand, Candidate Trump:

“They will be able to defend themselves against terrorists. Our brave soldiers should not be at risk because of policy created by civilian leadership. Political correctness has no place in this debate.”

That policy was reiterated in 2018. President Trump said he would review the policy of keeping service members disarmed on our military bases and recruiting centers.  From military.com:

President Donald Trump said Friday that he would review policies that keep troops from carrying personal weapons onto military bases.

In spite of this promise, highly trained and motivated aviators were killed by a terrorist at Naval Air Station (NAS) Pensacola, Florida, on 6 December, 2019. Several were wounded. All were unarmed by DOD and Naval policy. While NAS Pensacola has a security team, they were ineffective in stopping the terrorist at the base:

He says this group is comprised of active-duty sailors and individuals from the department of Naval citizens. He says these are the only armed personnel on the base, all other firearms are banned.

As reported in Fox News, the instructor pilots say the victims the gunman preyed on were defenseless. People in the Pensacola community believe if more people were armed, the shooter wouldn't have been able to kill three Navy sailors.

It was sheriff's deputies that effectively responded.

(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...


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The DoD Directive to allow military personnel to be armed for defense of themselves and others, was subtly designed to insure they were kept unarmed.

Defiance by Compliance.

Following orders in appearance, while defying them in effect.

1 posted on 12/15/2019 4:28:46 AM PST by marktwain
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It seems to me the order allowing (at least certain) military personnel to be armed while on base can be issued by the CIC.


2 posted on 12/15/2019 4:33:51 AM PST by billyboy15
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"Gun Free Military Bases"

This has gotta be one of the stupidest oxymorons ever devised by the morons.

Note tagline.

3 posted on 12/15/2019 4:37:11 AM PST by Savage Beast (The curse of high intelligence: Having to watch the morons try everything that obviously won't work.)
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To: billyboy15
It seems to me the order allowing (at least certain) military personnel to be armed while on base can be issued by the CIC.

You are correct. The article offers several suggestions for ways the CIC (POTUS) can do it effectively.

4 posted on 12/15/2019 4:43:45 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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I thought it was Clintoon that took away the right to arm yourself on a military base.


5 posted on 12/15/2019 4:46:38 AM PST by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: marktwain
Between this and the NICS Indices Self-Submission Form, the 2A still being aggressively white-anted by FedGov.

People should be f-ing FIRED for this crap.

Today.

With removal of any and all pensions.

(Buy your guns and ammo now, folks. The DS has plans for you.)

6 posted on 12/15/2019 4:48:25 AM PST by niteowl77
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Obama and his rats disarmed the military on their own turf to allow this to happen


7 posted on 12/15/2019 4:48:55 AM PST by ronnie raygun (nic dip.com)
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To: marktwain

The DoD Directive to allow military personnel to be armed for defense of themselves and others, was subtly designed to insure they were kept unarmed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is a well honed Obama technique used in many different ways to subvert America, including the federal institutions of the FBI, CIA, IRS, and DOJ clear over to military ROE . It is a technique gleaned from Saul Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals.”
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3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.

http://www.openculture.com/2017/02/13-rules-for-radicals.html

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And it works because we as a People are too naive to believe that any American would be so dirty and hateful, let alone a President, as the magic negro of dirty name unfortunately was.And he still has his sordid advocates within our military’s command structure , the resistance, that must be purged in President Trumps second term if not earlier. Look at the Fort Hood Massacre that never should have had its repeat in Pensacola.

The President must fulfill his promise.And he must do it expeditiously.NOW.


8 posted on 12/15/2019 4:55:01 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obam_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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I thought it was Clintoon that took away the right to arm yourself on a military base.

No. The policy goes back to at least WWII.

Military commanders of bases were allowed wide discretion about who they allowed to be armed up until Ft. Hood, in 2009. Then Obama instituted "reform" which effectively removed much of the discretion.

Then in 2016, after President Trump was elected, but before he took office, the latest directive was issued.

It supposedly allows commanders to issue permits for people to be armed, but no sane commander will issue one given the specifics in the directive.

The article gives several examples of how all the incentives in the directive are aimed at preventing people from getting permission to carry.

For example, the directive calls for a commander to get a legal opinion about which, of specific exceptions in federal law, are valid, for a military person to carry in federal buildings, before a military person can be given permission to do so.

I recall three exceptions. Two mostly would not apply, as I recall. The one which would easily apply, is nullified by the way the directive is written. Commanders have to get the legal opinion before granting permission.

9 posted on 12/15/2019 5:08:31 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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10 posted on 12/15/2019 5:24:48 AM PST by PROCON (Molon Labe)
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According to this:

https://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/2019/12/09/what-really-happened-at-nas-pensacola-and-why/

Ensign Watson was the duty officer. Duty officers and NCOICs should be armed. We’re at war whether we choose to admit it or not.


11 posted on 12/15/2019 5:45:45 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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You’d think Trump could simply draft an eo mandating a shall-issue policy for military bases.


12 posted on 12/15/2019 6:20:10 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Great column, I wish the perfumed prince SJWs who run the DoD would pay attention.

They won’t.

It will require direct, clear orders from the CiC to change this.


13 posted on 12/15/2019 6:22:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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One of the victims had been on watch before he was shot five or more times and made it outside and informed first responders of the location and description of the perp. Is that the way Watch duty is performed? What is the purpose of an unarmed Watch? A week before an armed Navy submariner, who had reported being in need of counseling, was on armed watch when he killed a few and committed suicide. The Pensacola sailor/airman in training was an expert marksman yet was rendered defenseless by policy. Policy also makes it a gun free zone except for those set to bring harm.

When will all the noncitizens have their guns taken away? How many no citizens have hunting licenses and also have weapons for hunting humans?


14 posted on 12/15/2019 6:32:02 AM PST by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: Travis McGee
Maybe he has people who monitor freerepublic and/or AmmmoLand.

One can hope.

15 posted on 12/15/2019 6:32:03 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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You’d think Trump could simply draft an eo mandating a shall-issue policy for military bases.

He is Commander in Chief.

He can issue orders.

It should be in the form of a DoD Directive.

It is a simple staff job. Any competent O-3 should be able to do draft an effective DoD Directive to do the job.

It is Defiance by Compliance at the upper levels of the DoD.

President Trump's order would subvert 70 years of propaganda and indoctrination in our Military.

That is one of the reasons it is so important and needs to be done.

16 posted on 12/15/2019 6:37:01 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Travis McGee

The dirty little secret in the liberal view that young enlistees would only get into trouble having guns in the barracks and on their person during duty is that many of them are already armed and there isn’t this carnage the liberal mindset claims.

We saw the exact same liberal reasoning against civilian concealed weapons programs where the liberals claimed there would be carnage across the country if people carried. The effect, of course, was the exact opposite in that crime plummeted where concealed carry was allowed. Now, today, we even have no licenses required carry (”constitutional carry”) and still no carnage.

I was born, raised, and served in the military and know the trouble young studs get into, but I also know there are means to safeguard weapons in the barracks and on duty so the trouble makers are kept at bay.


17 posted on 12/15/2019 6:41:04 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: Travis McGee
It will require direct, clear orders from the CiC to change this.

..and some follow up inspections and firings when his orders are slow walked or ignored by DoD and MACOM cdrs (they will be).

18 posted on 12/15/2019 6:49:17 AM PST by TADSLOS (You know why you can enjoy a day at the Zoo? Because walls work.)
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To: marktwain
Mmmmmmm I used to work in the Pentagon. POTUS doesn't create DoD Directives. That comes from SECDEF or is principal Under Secretaries.

It would have to be an Executive Order, which POTUS has complete constitutional authority to do.

But I would NOT be in favor of everyone toting guns openly. Only officers and NCOs: the key being the NCOs because they need to be re-empowered and separated from the non-rates. Yes, the term non-rates needs to make a comeback.

19 posted on 12/15/2019 7:32:13 AM PST by Salvavida
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An additional, time-tested approach is the armed guard mount. As a prior poster commented, the sailor on watch was not armed. Buildings with substantial numbers of sailors sleeping or working or eating.... should have guard posts assigned with armed sailors rotating through them. It’s not that hard. This was one Arab with a single Glock. You don’t need a SEAL team guarding the building, just some regular, armed sailors posted to guard it and the people inside.


20 posted on 12/15/2019 7:36:31 AM PST by Stingray51
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