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Excerpted due to it's LONG length. IMO, we're getting TOO reliant on electronics in some areas.
1 posted on 12/23/2019 8:54:41 AM PST by Oatka
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“Not many people of my age can say, ‘Hey, I just drove a giant-ass battleship,’” said Bordeaux, 23.


should he really be there?


2 posted on 12/23/2019 8:59:30 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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I would wager that the namesake of the ship was at least equally responsible for ship disaster.

Making thumb-down motion with my other hand.


3 posted on 12/23/2019 9:01:18 AM PST by spiderpig (Does whatever a SpiderPig does)
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Some say it’s The Curse of Juan McCain.


4 posted on 12/23/2019 9:02:37 AM PST by chris37 (Where's Hunter?)
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McCain always had technical problems that prevented him from steering a good or accurate course. His steering system always pulled hard to the left.


5 posted on 12/23/2019 9:05:01 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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**Standing orders** in the Navy are for someone to keep a watch out the bridge windows at all times while underway. The problem isn’t the technology.


6 posted on 12/23/2019 9:07:34 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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So, the same problem as it’s namesake.


7 posted on 12/23/2019 9:10:33 AM PST by ALASKA (Watching an attempted coup by a thousand cuts....)
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“Not many people of my age can say, ‘Hey, I just drove a giant-ass battleship,’” said Bordeaux, 23.

And neither can you.

A 8,300-ton destroyer is a far cry from a 58,400-ton battleship.

8 posted on 12/23/2019 9:13:22 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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Bordeaux felt confident using the system to control the speed and heading of the ship. But there were many things he did not understand about the array of dials, arrows and data that filled the touch screen.

“There was actually a lot of functions on there that I had no clue what on earth they did,” Bordeaux said of the system.

And he was in charge of steering. He should not have been on the bridge, except to observe in training, until he knew what EVERY dial, display, and control on the bridge did.

10 posted on 12/23/2019 9:14:27 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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ping.


12 posted on 12/23/2019 9:16:19 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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When i was in in the early 90’s we didn’t have any touch screen tech in the engineering mainspaces themselves but every sailor knew CYA. CYA at all costs because even if you followed orders to a T, shit rolls downhill and the NAVY and its upper brass will punish you even if its not warranted. Document, Document, Document. COVER YOUR ASS..........


13 posted on 12/23/2019 9:16:35 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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The Navy’s karma ran over its dogma. They have very good ships and technology, but the leadership in many cases has a defective CMA mentality.


15 posted on 12/23/2019 9:16:52 AM PST by Theophilous Meatyard III
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“There was actually a lot of functions on there that I had no clue what on earth they did,”

Doesn't the Navy have simulators ? I know for a fact that the US merchant marine have used simulators for decades.

16 posted on 12/23/2019 9:19:34 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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Fortunately, the Navy requires more training for its nuclear reactor operators.


18 posted on 12/23/2019 9:21:28 AM PST by rwa265
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I’ve got experience myself piloting commercial motor vessels this size

Three and one half minutes is plenty time to avoid another vessel while underway

I’m not a veteran but it seems like our military always blame service men first before systems or technology

Was there no way to simply override this vexed steering system and revert to manual

If not how to steer if a power loss to the bridge?

A genuine pilot wheel could averted this

She’s a twin shaft.....that makes another way to steer clear of danger

I will say as someone who been in the port of Singapore there should have been a serious officer or high ranking enlisted man on that bridge

Another question is if they were but 20 miles from docking Singapore when the hell does the bar or port pilot board?

I’ve been on a ship collision on a small freighter in Miragoane Haiti

You do reach a. Point where it’s impossible to avoid contact

My captain was attempting a beam to beam anchorage to lighter from us to the ship at the old pre slave revolt dock

He came in too hard..from 100 yards out there was nowhere to go but to hit gunnel to gunnel enough to scrape paint and dent the railing in the contact spot

Another time on the Calcaseiu river in St Charles a chem carrier hit us barely...that was pilot error but trust me they never ever own it

River pilot association are extortion rackets


19 posted on 12/23/2019 9:21:32 AM PST by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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Loss of steering? Did anyone consider stopping??? Say nothing of the two female officers who weren’t talking to each other.


20 posted on 12/23/2019 9:21:35 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("Sorry, your race card has been declined. Can you present any other form of argument?")
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I really find it hard to believe that a ‘kid’ with 4 months in the Navy was at the helm of a Destroyer in ‘heavy waters’ with the Skipper knowing of the steering problems.

I would think the CO would have had enough sense to have his Senior Helmsman in place.
Or at least the XO or OOD noticing the situation.

Story appears ‘full of holes’ to me and I basically read it to the end and it ends up with the kid getting ‘bounced’ after 1 1/2 years because of alcholism(??)(He mentions spending 500 per week on booze and falling asleep on watch).

As to his ‘discharge’ they say he was demoted to the lowest rate but I would find it hard to believe he was much higher than SA or SN - IF he was suffering from nightmares, lack of sleep etc etc.

One might ‘accept’ the steering a Battleship from the 17/18 yo right out of Boot Camp, BUT he is quoted as saying that at 23. (further down it said he went into USN directly out of HS) in 2017 so unless he graduated at 20, the story has more holes than I thought.

It may be a ‘picky’ point on my part BUT if they can’t get the ‘easy’ part right, how can you trust the ‘hard’ stuff???


21 posted on 12/23/2019 9:21:42 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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Nothing wrong with GOOD electronics. Seems these elections weren’t worked out before the ship went to sea. Bad move. And a mechanical emergency system for faulty electronics should have been mandatory before settling sail. (Could be minimal. Like emergency throttle and some emergency steering)


24 posted on 12/23/2019 9:25:26 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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I know. Last year, as an Uber driver, I gave a ride in the night from my hometown, Lexington, to Pikeville, a town 138 miles away in the mountains. Most of the 606 area code is a dead zone for my phone, so as soon as I dropped my ride off, all the apps on my phone failed, including the GPS. To come back on those little country roads, I navigated the old fashioned way, with a paper map. A lot of the folks I tell that story to will say they couldn’t have found their way home, if they had been in my situation.


25 posted on 12/23/2019 9:26:24 AM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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Fascinating article. Worth reading from this point on:

Sanchez quickly noticed that his new helmsman seemed flustered by the difficulty of having to control the ship’s steering and speed at the same time. He decided to split the helm, giving Bordeaux control over the ship’s wheel. While Bordeaux remained at his station, Dontrius Mitchell, a second sailor on the bridge, was assigned to take control of the speed of the McCain at a neighboring station known as the lee helm.

Sanchez’s order was unexpected — he had not discussed the possibility in meetings with the crew before entering the straits. Nor had the crew practiced the maneuver much. Bordeaux could only remember doing it once or twice before.

32 posted on 12/23/2019 9:34:39 AM PST by edwinland
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The NAME set it up for disaster.

They should have known after that drunken bastard crashed 3 or 5 planes.

33 posted on 12/23/2019 9:36:33 AM PST by montag813
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