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Two Possibilities in Trump Wiretapping, and Neither Is Good
The American Thinker ^ | 27 December 2019 | Frank Watt

Posted on 12/27/2019 2:39:50 AM PST by lowbuck

The report of the I.G.'s findings on the use of FISA in the FBI Crossfire Hurricane investigation is an outrage. As a 22 year FBI Agent, I have personally conducted multiple investigations using both Title III "wiretaps" and FISA authorized intercepts. From this perspective, I can only see two possible interpretations of the actions of the FBI and DOJ. Either scenario should anger and frighten every fair minded citizen who takes the time to read the report and understand its implications. . . snip

If the heinous abuses documented in the I.G.s report result in a weakening or loss of FISA, we will all be the worse for it. If those responsible are not held to account, this will happen again. There is no happy face to put on this episode.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: corruption; coup; crossfirehurricane; dojigreport; fisa; fisagate; intercepts; spygate; trumpsurveilled; wiretap; wiretaps
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To: nathanbedford

What you’re looking for is the “3-hop” rule. The Page warrant opened the door to spying on potentially millions.

[excerpt from 2013, still in place today]

“...It hinges on what’s known as “hop” or “chain” analysis. When the NSA identifies a suspect, it can look not just at his phone records, but also the records of everyone he calls, everyone who calls those people and everyone who calls those people.

If the average person called 40 unique people, three-hop analysis would allow the government to mine the records of 2.5 million Americans when investigating one suspected terrorist....”

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=207195207


61 posted on 12/27/2019 10:15:56 AM PST by KitJ (Shall not be infringed...)
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To: shelterguy
Take your pick. . . total incompetence or total corruption.

I'll go with total corruption aided and abetted by sufficient stupidity and incompetence so as to think they can get away with it.

So far they still think they can get away with it.

Highest danger at this stage happens when they realize they can't.

62 posted on 12/27/2019 10:24:08 AM PST by null and void (The government wants to disarm us after 243 yrs 'cuz they plan to do things we would shoot them for!)
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To: Rocky

The FISA program is broken, and it can’t be fixed by adding more rules. The investigators and the court broke the rules which were already in place. More rules can’t fix that. Repeal FISA.

Disband the FBI/DOJ and the CIA.


63 posted on 12/27/2019 10:56:56 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Lincoln: "The Founders did not make America racist or slaver. They inheritered it, that way!")
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To: kabar
It must be remembered that not only was Carter Page illegally spied upon, but also, everyone he came into contact with and their contacts per the two hop rule. That includes Donald Trump himself.

FYI:

Each FISA warrant is capable of monitoring/surveil/spying on 25,000 other people.

Journalist Sharyl Attkisson, the host of “Full Measure,” follows up on her interview with former federal prosecutor Sidney Powell about her allegation that the “entire Russia collusion narrative was made up” by anti-Trump political partisans in the FBI and Department of Justice.

Attkisson reports how one FISA warrant against Trump staffer Carter Page could be used to legally surveil 25,000 people, who were associated with him:

64 posted on 12/27/2019 11:00:31 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Lincoln: "The Founders did not make America racist or slaver. They inheritered it, that way!")
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To: neodad

Admiral Mike Rodgers, Director of NSA at that time told Candidate Trump, later President elect Trump and President Trump about what had happened illegally.

A Quiet Hero – NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers Retires
May 5, 2018 by Jeff Carlson, CFA

NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers formally retired on May 4, 2018.

A quiet hero, most will never understand what Rogers did for our country.

From the NSA Press Release:

On May 4, 2018, General Paul M. Nakasone, USA, assumed command from Admiral Mike Rogers, USN, as Commander U.S. Cyber Command and Director, National Security Agency/Chief, Central Security Service.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense Patrick M. Shanahan and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats were among the dignitaries and guests who attended the change of command and change of directorship ceremony in Fort Meade, Md. Prior to the event, Gen. Nakasone was promoted from Lt. Gen. to his current rank.

“On behalf of the dedicated officers of the Intelligence Community, we thank Admiral Mike Rogers,” said Dan Coats, Director of National Intelligence. “His lifetime of service in the Navy has contributed immeasurably to American—and allied—security. We bid him fair winds and following seas. We welcome his successor, General Paul Nakasone. His experience and strong leadership will prove essential as we move into the next era of cyber operations.”

Further down is a video of the full ceremony. It’s prompted to begin at Admiral Rogers’ remarks, which last about ten minutes.

Rogers’ speech is, at times, emotionally charged. For those who have a small understanding of what Admiral Rogers walked through, his words have a far deeper meaning.

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats directly precedes Admiral Rogers (30:58 mark). Coats makes a few notable comments:

Mike had to sail through some tough waters. And he did it as only a leader can do it.

He led this Agency back from a difficult situation to an absolutely essential Agency doing tremendous work and providing the kind of intelligence that we need in order to keep our people safe.

Mike, I can’t thank you enough for your leadership, for all you’ve gone through…We are so grateful for your leadership. I’m so honored to have served with you. We wish you nothing but the best in the future.

Written words do not accurately convey the strength and emotion in Coats’ voice. He understands as well as anyone what Rogers went through.

When finished, Coats moved directly to Rogers and hugged him. They had been through quite a journey together.

Admiral Michael S. Rogers:

https://themarketswork.com/2018/05/05/a-quiet-hero-nsa-director-admiral-mike-rogers-retires/


65 posted on 12/27/2019 11:06:25 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Lincoln: "The Founders did not make America racist or slaver. They inheritered it, that way!")
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To: Grampa Dave

If that is the case, the scale of such surveillance requires far more than just a handful of people. This is a massive investment of people and logistics. I am tired of hearing from Hannity and others that this was just a few people at the top. Where were the whistleblowers? The FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, State Department, etc. need a wholesale cleaning out.


66 posted on 12/27/2019 12:56:32 PM PST by kabar
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To: lowbuck

btt...Lots of comments at the source!


67 posted on 12/27/2019 2:06:30 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Grampa Dave

Sure looks to me like NSA chief Mike Rodgers was forced out or threatened with X by the Deep State. He only served 4-5 years and is a young man. If Rodgers was still NSA head this would be helpful to Trump.


68 posted on 12/27/2019 2:10:08 PM PST by dennisw
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To: kabar

Attkisson reports how one FISA warrant against Trump staffer Carter Page could be used to legally surveil 25,000 people, who were associated with him:

You bring up a critical and undisclosed reality of how many extra people, computer time and etc does each FISA Warrant cost us.


69 posted on 12/27/2019 2:59:53 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Lincoln: "The Founders did not make America racist or slaver. They inheritered it, that way!")
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To: nathanbedford

>>> 17 consecutive tosses and the odds exceed one in 320,000. <<

To elaborate on your excellent point.

Imagine that your favorite football team had 17 flagrant bad calls against them in one game.
Imagine anonymous gamblers bet billions of dollars against your team.
Imagine that all the refs were friends or family of the gamblers.
Imagine spies in the press and media stole your team's playbook and gave it to the other team..
70 posted on 12/27/2019 3:37:45 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: lowbuck
“In light of the I.G findings, the presiding FISA court judge seems to have come down on the side of intentional abuse. In a recent court order, Judge Rosemary Collyer gave the FBI until January 10 to explain to the court why the FBI should be allowed to continue to utilize FISA. The statement that the FBI "withheld material information" and that "FBI personnel misled NSD" suggests that the judge isn't buying the "series of unfortunate events" excuse peddled by prominent figures in defense of the indefensible. “

“Whichever explanation seems more likely, the end result should be infuriating to every American. Either your nation's premiere law enforcement agency was breathtakingly incompetent when the stakes were the highest, or select officials in that organization made deliberate decisions to break the law, undermine the Constitution, and illegally spy on a fellow American. Either possibility has deeply damaged the reputation of the FBI and DOJ in addition to the reputations of thousands of honest FBI Agents and DOJ attorneys."

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"damaged the reputation of the FBI and DOJ in addition to the reputations of thousands of honest FBI Agents and DOJ attorneys" --- Where the hell are all these HONEST, DAMAGED FBI and DOJ lawyers?????

It looks like they exist about as much as snow at the equator.

Why aren't these "honest" FBI agents speaking up?

NO CHARACTER

71 posted on 12/28/2019 5:32:30 AM PST by a little elbow grease (... to err is human, to admit it divine ...)
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