Posted on 01/06/2020 7:11:15 AM PST by Kaslin
D.C.s hysteria is dangerous. The strike wasnt necessarily wrong, but the president must tread carefully. Too much of D.C. wants him not to.
D.C. is all worked up over the killing of Qasem Soleimani, Irans top military operator. Democrats, driven by anti-Trump madness, have taken to eulogizing Soleimani. Thats insane. Meanwhile, D.C. Republicans are ecstatic about the killing.
Soleimani certainly deserved it. During the heyday of the Shiite uprising in Iraq, his forces were responsible for bombs that killed countless American servicemembers. Its good that he is dead.
Soleimani was hit because Iranian proxies were behind recent attacks in Iraq, including one that killed an American contractor. The White House hopes this will warn Iran that America means business, and that Iran will cease its meddling in Iraq and stand down. Middle America hopes this is exactly what happens.
But D.C.s hysteria is dangerous. The strike wasnt necessarily wrong, but the president must tread carefully. Too much of D.C. wants him not to.
One side is too often blinded by a hysteria about the president that precludes a rational discussion. The other side has extreme hawkishness on Iran that the American people dont match. People can celebrate Soleimanis death, but many of the hawks in D.C. hope theres more to come, and will push for it.
Shiite Muslim Iran is next door to Iraq, of which 60 percent is Shiite. Some on Twitter posted videos of Iraqis celebrating in the streets about the Soleimani strike. Except these Iraqis are likely Sunnis, who make up around 30 percent of Iraqs population. Much of the Shiite portion is furious at Soleimanis death.
America is on a sectarian landmine. The big picture in the Middle East is that Shia Muslims and Sunni Muslims are locked in a 1,400 year-old civil war between the two main branches of Islam. What America has been doing in the Middle East for the last two decades, wittingly or not, is taking sides in this civil war, which could last a thousand more years. If America is sucked into open war with Iran, we would be explicitly taking a side in this religious war. But taking a side is a false choice, especially given Americas newfound energy independence.
Iran is an evil regime, but the United Statess allies in the Middle Eastincluding Saudi Arabia and Qatarare all unsavory Sunni countries. Iran has not chiefly funded an organization that did mass beheadings, raped Yazidis, and drowned Christians. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and North Atlantic Treaty Organization member Turkey have. Beltway types talk about Iran being the number-one state sponsor of terror, when all the terror groups Americans have heard ofincluding al Qaeda and ISISare Sunni, and associated with our Sunni allies.
Pundits are comparing Soleimani to Osama bin Laden. But theres a big difference between Soleimanis brand of terror, which operated within the rationale of the Shiite Iranian state, and the Sunni Muslim terror of Osama bin Laden.
Iraq borders Iran to its west. The country that borders Iran to its east is Afghanistan. In other words, Iran is surrounded by U.S. troops. When Shiite Soleimani committed the evil act of funding Shiite militias in Iraq with bombs and weapons, which killed U.S. troops, it was the Iranian states way of imposing costs on Americas presence next door.
This isnt making apology for the evil Iran regime. But ditching nuance, and not understanding the motivation of ones enemy, is a recipe for getting thousands of American young men killed in a sthole country. Thats unacceptable.
A pundit actually said that Iran would prove how irrational it was when it struck back, likely via proxies. But a country that feels encircled, like a wild animal, usually tries to retaliate. We must be prepared for that, and prepare tough responses that dont lead to all-out war.
In the next few weeks, it is even possible that Iran responds through its Shia militia proxies with attacks on U.S. troops. That would force the United States to up the ante. The D.C. crowd would cheer, as war with Iran became more of a reality.
But war with Iran is fundamentally a D.C. craze. It isnt in the interest of America, or normal Americans. The connected blue checks on Twitter, or the pundits talking to the camera on Fox News, wont see their kids or neighbors fight, relatively speaking. Middle America would disproportionately bear the cost, as it always does.
Eggheads sitting in a cushy office came up with plans to overthrow dictators like Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi in Libya, only to create power vacuums that resulted in violence and increased sectarian strife. They talk about a Shiite crescentmeaning Iran controlling land from Iran to Syriabut they made this possible with the overthrow of Saddam.
The same crowd was desperate to join our Sunni Muslim allies to overthrow Syrian semi-Shia dictator Bashar al-Assad. What followed was human misery on a massive scale. Meanwhile, America turned a blind eye to Gulf allies like Saudi Arabia arming jihadists, including al-Qaeda and its affiliates. D.C. spent $1 billion a year arming moderate rebels in Syria, who were to fight the Assad regime. The program was wildly unsuccessful, and ended up arming jihadists.
The CIA helped countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar get western weapons into Syria, many of which ended up in the arms of radical jihadists. All the Benghazi stuff you used to hear about, including the presence of Americans in Libya, and the fact that those Americans were relatively unguarded, was possibly because the CIA was running a rat-line of weapons into Syria. Even the rise of the despicable Islamic State, or ISIS, was heavily aided by the large cache of Saudi and U.S.-supplied weapons floating around in Syria and Iraq.
The worst part about these interventions is when America wrecks something, it owns it. Weve been in Iraq more or less since 2003. We are still in Syria, even though President Trump saw extreme bipartisan and media criticism for moving a few hundred troops out of one area.
Weve been in Afghanistan nearly 20 years, even though the Taliban currently controls the same area of land that it did a decade ago. Our servicemembers in Afghanistan are forced to defend warlords and Afghan security forces who practice child rape.
All told, weve spent $6.4 trillion in Middle East wars and the war on terror. Americans now understand America has a Hotel California foreign policy. People in D.C. get us in places, and while we can check out any time we like, we can never leave.
The real question is: why is America still in Iraq, or the Middle East at all? Yes, America pulling out would cause uncertainty and increased violence. But its likely remaining in the Middle East is making things worse, emboldening bad actors on both sides of the Sunni-Shia divide. That doesnt mean America is the bad guy, or doesnt provide short-term stability, but sometimes short-term stability is undesirable, and breeds long-term instability.
Besides, these are not our fights. Trying to control the entire Middle East is neither possible nor a U.S. national security interest.
Too often, people in D.C. make money from the messes they create. They get the contracts, the foreign policy prognosticating gigs, and the book and speaking tours. Normal America gets a higher national debt and even more strained national budget. And its our sons, daughters, brothers, cousins, and friends who go fight D.C.s stupid wars.
After all these years of failure, the conservative party in Americacontaining pundits and politicians who will quickly claim they cant do much about Normal Americas illsis still perfectly happy to intervene in countries that most Americans cant find on a map. The last time this worked was World War II, and maybe Korea. Weve had many wars and interventions since that time.
Meanwhile, Normal America has all sorts of unaddressed problems: low wages for working males, single mothers yearning for happiness, dilapidated towns, abortion, crime, drugs, and hurting children.
Besides realigning U.S. military priorities, one solution to this misalignment of priorities is strict reporting laws and enforcement for foreign money. Too many of Washingtons pundits and think tanks take money from Saudi Arabia or Qatar, for example. The influential Brookings Institution receives all sorts of money from Qatar. As pundits and bureaucrats rotate from think tank job to government job and back again, how does this not affect policy?
Most importantly, America must get completely out of Iraq, and the Middle East. America wont be around forever. You can count on that. But the longer we stay in the Middle East, the more we hasten the day that America ceases to exist. Or, worse, becomes unrecognizable from the good and just place it should be.
When we leave, the sunni jihadists from all over middle east will return to face off against the Iranian backed shia. Lesson learned from Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya is sloganeering about hearts and minds and rebuilding is empty rhetoric and very expensive rhetoric, at that The middle east is not a hearts and minds region of the world because it is devoid of both hearts and minds which were replaced centuries ago by the darkness of an abject religious tribal hatred between the two groups no one can tame. They were killing each other 500 years ago and they will be doing so 500 years in the future. There is no benefit to being a long term third party to their blood sport. In that region, when conflict is necessary to defend Western security interests, the hearts and minds fantasy needs to be replaced by bomb and leave reality. The law of diminishing returns dictates what difference does it make that 90% of their populus hate us before we bombed than 95% after we bombed and inadvertently caused some collateral damage to defend our national interest. The cold hard reality is collateral damage by air to them is a much cheaper price to pay than the overwhelming loss on foot of blood and treasure to us.
Rules of Engagement for Muslims -
1) if non-Muslims are present, Sunni and Shia sects will join to enslave (economically and physically), convert, or kill until all infidels are annihilated;
2) If no infidels are present, Shia and Sunni will turn against each other until only one sect remains.
The only question is, are you an infidel?
The U.S. is involved in all these stupid military campaigns because our government has been sold to foreign and corporate interests who don't give a sh!t about what's best for the average American.
Because we can’t keep America safe by pretending the lower 48 lives in isolation.
It seems to me that the Middle East is moving to Europe and the United States.
Maybe the Middle East should just stay put in the Middle East.
Let them fight it out.
Let ‘em all kill each other and let Allah sort it out.
Bring the boys home and secure our borders. Let them kill each other. With the fracking revolution, we no longer need Middle Eastern oil. There is no need for us to be there. If the flow of oil is disrupted, let the Yurps and the Chinese deal with it. After all, theyve the ones dependent on Middle Eastern oil - not us.
Because it is in the national interest to be a presence in the middle east
Cowardly isolationist whining is counterproductive
They won’t. This is a purposeful invasion.
This is no different than Brazilian Crazy Ants moving in on American Red Ants.
The former will completely replace the latter.
Blah, blah, blah yada yada ......sanctimonious drivel
“Iran has not chiefly funded an organization that did mass beheadings, raped Yazidis, and drowned Christians.”
No, the Mullahs of Tehran have done those things to Iranian citizens opposed to the Mullahs, and the force led by the general who was killed has carried out assassinations of opponents world wide, built and supported radical militias in Lebanon, Gaza, Syria and Iraq and seeks to expand that force across the entire Middle East, using local grudges to initiate proxy wars to expand the Mullah’s theocratic influence and interests.
The war being waged by the Mullahs may not look like the war waged by ISIS but there is less than six degrees of separation between the long term goals of both groups - domination among Middle East Muslim societies, to build a unified Muslim hegemony to make war on everyone else.
Correct.
200 years ago, it was Britain who stopped a Russian attempt to punch through to the Indian Ocean to get a warm water year around ice free port.
Russia’s Afghan Invasion in the 1980s was believed to be another try to gain access to the Indian Ocean.
Of course, people who are too damned stupid to be able to elucidate the difference between a punitive military action and a war of occupation and explain the differing circumstances where each might be appropriate and do not outline that securing ones borders and ensuring that people opposed to the national interest are incarcerated if citizens or expelled if not have no business of any sort pontificating on the matter.
I agree.
When we are in the ME, they kills us. When we are not in the ME, they kill each other.
Baloney. Can you even give a coherent explanation for what exactly our "national interest" is in the Middle East?
Cowardly isolationist whining is counterproductive.
The United States should be isolationist by nature and interventionist in rare, exceptional cases. Thats the only legitimate political stature for a country that is supposed to be built on the idea of limited government.
A government that pisses away thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on military campaigns in Islamic sh!t-holes halfway around the world while facilitating an invasion of Third World peasants here at home has no moral claim on any loyalty from its citizens anymore.
When Britain decided that the native available COAL was not the fuel they wanted their navy to utilize and decided to become an OIL based NAVY that was the day that the 6th century sandbox that is the middle east suddenly became important... and began the rest of the world down the path of having to care and keep this cesspool somewhat stable.
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