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To: McGavin999; shelterguy; All

As I said in my comment, I didn’t know how true this is. So, I have now checked and found that I knew about the concerns in the first paragraph below, but had not heard about the last minute successful “scramble to save the money”, as described in the second paragraph. Late Sept. and October I was out in the country in a scramble to save my wilderness cabin. There was no electricity and little access to media for me there.

“Several OMB officials resigned in part due to their concerns that the withholding was illegal, and witnesses from the Defense Department and other parts of the administration testified publicly in the impeachment inquiry that there was widespread concern that the aid could not be spent by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year, and would expire.”

“When the Trump administration ultimately dropped its hold on the aid on Sept. 11, Republican and Democratic lawmakers alike had to scramble to save the money. Just days shy of the deadline [Sept. 30], they passed — and Trump signed into law — a yearlong extension to allow the Pentagon to disburse the aid. But in late November The Times reported that $35.2 million of the initially withheld Ukraine assistance still sat in the U.S. Treasury.”

Source for above: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-12/millions-in-military-aid-at-center-of-impeachment-hasnt-reached-ukraine

Here is one observation of military aid from 2015 that saved lives. “Some of the early nonlethal aid was useful. After Ukraine received 20 Lockheed Martin AN/TPQ-53 radar systems that track incoming mortar and short-range artillery fire in 2015, the casualty rate for units equipped with those system went from 47 percent to about 18 percent, Ordynovych said.”

“That was some of the most useful equipment that we ever provided them because it provided them early warning,” Hodges said. “The Ukrainians used [the radar] so much, they were under so much rocket and mortar fire, that they became extremely proficient. So we learned from them.”

The above 2 paragraphs were from this defense news source. https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/

Another detailed military source of information. https://www.militarytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2019/10/01/in-wartime-ukraine-trumps-stalled-us-weapons-sale-is-a-minor-concern/

There are many quotes above from a Ukrainian military source. One should be aware that when he reports that Ukraine felt no pressure from President Trump’s words and actions, a leader from a country like Ukraine would not want to make himself look week at home by saying he felt pressure from a foreign country. He does detail many ways in which US/Ukraine cooperation is benefiting both countries to increase strength in dealing with Russia and China.

This article describes conditions at the Ukrainian front. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/world/europe/ukraine-war-impeachment.html The following information about our gift of Javelin missiles to Ukraine I had not heard about.

“In 2018, the Trump administration authorized sales to Ukraine of a shoulder-fired anti-tank missile called the Javelin, reversing an Obama administration policy of supplying only non-lethal aid. But there is a big catch. The Trump administration provided the missiles on the condition that they not be used in the war, Ukrainian officials and American diplomats have said, lest they provoke Russia to slip more powerful weaponry to the separatists.”


39 posted on 01/18/2020 10:27:17 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

You would have to be incredibly stupid to believe that.


42 posted on 01/19/2020 5:37:15 AM PST by McGavin999 (Queen Fancy Nancy Of North Poopistan)
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