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Was always so strange how much Pat Buchanan loved this man.
1 posted on 01/20/2020 6:04:10 AM PST by babble-on
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To: babble-on

The Israeli Supreme Court that acquitted him, can’t say, “oops!” Oh well.


2 posted on 01/20/2020 6:07:23 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: babble-on

I didn’t know about that

Did Pat at least think the guy was innocent?

Either way, better to stay away.

And it’s worse than strange if Pat just didn’t care.


3 posted on 01/20/2020 6:11:07 AM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: babble-on
New photos show convicted Nazi guard John Demjanjuk at Sobibor

These are great, but it would be much, much more important and useful to uncover photos of Soros.

4 posted on 01/20/2020 6:15:14 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Takedown My Duly Elected President and You're Attacking The Constitution! IT WILL BE DEFENDED!)
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To: babble-on

“Was always so strange how much Pat Buchanan loved this man.”

Pat had some really good points regarding immigration, basically (and correctly) predicting the end of Europe and the potential end of the US (if conservatives sit out the November election because they don’t like so-and-so RINO on the ticket), but when it came to Hitler, Israel, etc...he’s out there on his own. He really did have a shot at the White House in 1992, but the intensity that he had defending the indefensible sickened far too many people, including me.


5 posted on 01/20/2020 6:16:05 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: babble-on

No photos in an article exposing that new photos were uncovered???

Who runs this outlet?


6 posted on 01/20/2020 6:19:06 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: babble-on

He died an innocent man (since his case was on appeal). He enjoyed the notoriety. His family supported him all the way to the bitter end.


10 posted on 01/20/2020 6:25:00 AM PST by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg"r)
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To: babble-on
Died‎: ‎17 March 2012. Let's dig him up and hang him.
11 posted on 01/20/2020 6:25:42 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE
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To: babble-on
I'd forgotten a lot about this case but recently watched a documentary on it and refreshed it all. He was being railroaded for being "Ivan the Terrible", the worst of the worst. A sadist who mutilated people with a sword before pushing them into a gas chamber while laughing. There wasn't much real info on Ivan the Terrible, just legends and stories. There was no hard evidence really except one ID card and photo that showed a trainee who resembled Demjanjuk and had the name Ivan instead of John at a different camp, and a bunch of 80 year olds who said they recognize him from 45 years prior (one of whom said he'd taken a train from Germany to Miami to meet with US officials and identify Demjanjuk). I remember this time and there were a lot of people who thought he wasn't getting treated fairly. And in fact, he'd absolutely have been convicted of being Ivan the Terrible if the soviet union hadn't fallen and archival info there proved beyond much doubt that he just plain wasn't. They had actual photos and descriptions of Ivan taken from the camps directly and he was a short guy with dark hair and definitely not Demjanjuk who was tall and blonde. Oops.

But there was a second trial and he was convicted of being a guard at a different camp, not the worst monster of the whole thing. Based on the evidence and his own shaky story, that seems right.

16 posted on 01/20/2020 6:33:54 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: babble-on
My basic opinion on the subject of Nazi war crimes is that in terms of basic culpability...moral culpability...the older you were,and the higher rank you were,the more you have to answer for before God.

Germans,Austrians (and others) were executed for disobeying Nazi orders. That includes in the military as well as civilian administration. IMO there are some occasions...and perhaps many...where a *junior* soldier,or civilian,could almost be forgiven when claiming "I was only following orders".

It must be noted that among many...if not most...of the younger participants in the genocide the Hitler Youth played a huge role in their formative years.

Assuming that there's at least some validity in what I've said I certainly cannot be sure that that can be applied to Demjanjuk.

17 posted on 01/20/2020 6:35:41 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: babble-on

Although the major Nazi criminals are all dead, I have a belief that evidence of what happened to many of them is yet to be discovered.

Just like this case photographs previously undiscovered, I think similar photographs and documents exist all over Germany and especially Argentina and other South American countries where these Criminals fled....

I think if we really knew what happened after the end of WW II it would literally rewrite history...

For example, would it be noteworthy if it came out that Martin Bormann made it to South America...etc...


21 posted on 01/20/2020 6:46:36 AM PST by srmanuel
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I have a movie on DVD called “Escape from Sobibor” starring Rutger Howard.

Russian soldiers captured who were all Jews were sent to Sobibor were not like the passive civilians already there. The soldiers made that escape happen.

The movie showed how nervous the Russian Jews made the camp personnel and I wondered if that was factual.


22 posted on 01/20/2020 6:47:55 AM PST by David Chase
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To: babble-on
Was always so strange how much Pat Buchanan loved this man.

Not really.

26 posted on 01/20/2020 6:54:54 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Modernism began two thousand years ago.)
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To: babble-on

Hopefully soon, we hear Susan Rice, or Clapper say they were just following orders....

Socialists ought to understand their legacy includes the NAZI abuses of power and now the DNC is trying to hide behind “just following orders”.


27 posted on 01/20/2020 7:00:56 AM PST by Jumper
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To: babble-on

I’m betting that they’re old photos, and not new ones.


34 posted on 01/20/2020 7:12:39 AM PST by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: babble-on

No access to the photos. If they are just old photos of a young man in WW2, how do you prove that’s him?


37 posted on 01/20/2020 7:16:30 AM PST by tlozo
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This is so 2001

Let’s beat up Pat Buchanan

Oh the glory days when virtue signaling was so obnoxiously prevalent here

“You’re an anti Semite!”

“You’re a racist!”

Blah blah blah

Buchanan has done more than any loudmouth on this forum and he was right about culture war decades before your average republican was


50 posted on 01/20/2020 10:04:19 AM PST by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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New photos have emerged

75 years later they can match the black and white picture of a 20 year old to that of a now deceased man?

I recently attended the 50th wedding anniversary of a close friend and the invitation included a color photo of their original wedding day. Never would have recognized him if his name wasn't on the invitation........

I've never once believed the charges against him. Conscripted into the Russian army, then taken prisoner by the Germans and then they make him a prison guard? That doesn't make any sense at all........

51 posted on 01/20/2020 10:15:36 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I want an impeachment pen)
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I was given Pat’s book “Death of the West” as a gift back in 2001.

Read a chapter or two then life got in the way. Never finished reading it until this past year. I was curious how right he was.

Pat was spot on.


54 posted on 01/20/2020 10:52:46 AM PST by setter
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The evidence was always shaky which is why the Israeli’s themselves acquitted him. I am very dubious about pictures surfacing now, when they spent decades scouring the earth for information from any and every WW2 concentration camp that might have something concerning his history. Suddenly new photos appear?

Why aren’t the photos being shown publicly if they exist? Likely it is a stretch of imagination and so better to talk about them then let people see how flimsy the claim is.


58 posted on 01/20/2020 12:36:53 PM PST by Titus-Maximus (The trouble with socialism is that you soon run out of other people's zoo animals to eat.)
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I do think however, there were mitigating circumstances that made him different than a German/Austrian Guard.

German guards volunteered for the duty.

Being a captured Red Army soldier, Demjanjuk had the choice of either working as a Camp Guard or being shot.


60 posted on 01/20/2020 1:37:44 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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