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To: Zhang Fei

“” “” Both countries have only ever been contained by superior firepower or internal ructions.”” “”

That’s of course an opinion with little factoid to back it.
China rarely existed in larger than its current form over thousands of years. And then not by much.


25 posted on 01/22/2020 6:38:52 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

[China rarely existed in larger than its current form over thousands of years. And then not by much.]


That’s because of strong foreign powers on its borders, foreign invasions of China, combined with massive internal revolts. Every single time China was unfettered by strong powers and had internal peace, it expanded its borders. This goes for Russia as well.

Just how big were Chinese revolts? This big:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Turban_Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Zicheng

And estimated 30m people died. Just how strong were the powers on China’s borders? This strong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_from_Ming_to_Qing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China
https://books.google.com/books?id=1LUoDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT145&lpg=PT145&dq=tibetan+burn+changan&source=bl&ots=TtC_bjQlKe&sig=ACfU3U2VdT-GDx0jUEYglq3AMh-ebhw6UA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiamd_suZfnAhUE16wKHXL3AMQQ6AEwDHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=tibetan%20burn%20changan&f=false

Just how unruly were Chinese courtiers? This unruly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sima_Yi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Gao#Coup_following_Qin_Shi_Huang%27s_death

The above doesn’t even scratch the surface. Similarly, Russia’s empire-building only stopped when it encountered serious external opposition, or it was constrained by internal resources.


31 posted on 01/22/2020 6:55:52 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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