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To: Lemon Curry

When the Spanish flu was killing people, we had no antibiotics for any secondary infections involving bacteria, we had very little access to IV technology for hydration (that took off in the 1950s), and aspirin was considered new, cutting edge treatment for fever.

The high death rate for Spanish Flu says a lot about the medical situation in 1918. For equivalent death rates today, you’d need a disease significantly worse.

I admit that poor areas in China may be living today like it was still 1918. That’s not good for them. But the US is unlikely to see much death from this. Sure, anything is possible. But the media does hype this stuff every year. I don’t panic when the boy cries wolf.


16 posted on 01/24/2020 10:08:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“When the Spanish flu was killing people, we had no antibiotics for any secondary infections involving bacteria, we had very little access to IV technology for hydration (that took off in the 1950s), and aspirin was considered new, cutting edge treatment for fever.

The high death rate for Spanish Flu says a lot about the medical situation in 1918.”

Exactly. I made this point in a discussion with a friend yesterday.


23 posted on 01/24/2020 10:17:38 AM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
When the Spanish flu was killing people, we had no antibiotics for any secondary infections involving bacteria, we had very little access to IV technology for hydration (that took off in the 1950s), and aspirin was considered new, cutting edge treatment for fever. The high death rate for Spanish Flu says a lot about the medical situation in 1918. For equivalent death rates today, you’d need a disease significantly worse.

Thanks for the balance...

37 posted on 01/24/2020 10:37:44 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ClearCase_guy; Lemon Curry

When the Spanish flu was killing people, we had no antibiotics for any secondary infections involving bacteria, we had very little access to IV technology for hydration (that took off in the 1950s), and aspirin was considered new, cutting edge treatment for fever.

The high death rate for Spanish Flu says a lot about the medical situation in 1918. For equivalent death rates today, you’d need a disease significantly worse.

I admit that poor areas in China may be living today like it was still 1918. That’s not good for them. But the US is unlikely to see much death from this. Sure, anything is possible. But the media does hype this stuff every year. I don’t panic when the boy cries wolf.

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I disagree; people got so sick, so quickly, from the 1918 flu pandemic that it was not unusual for people to die within 2 days of symptoms. Many people died of cytokine storm, which is basically the immune system going on overdrive. No vax or antibiotics would do anything for that, even if avaialable. Also the sheer numbers of sick people would even now completely overwhelm health facilities, as many patients would get so sick they need much higher level of nursing care, even in the 2009 H1N1 flu, many patients needed ECMO machines and there are very few, and require very skilled nursing. (Extra Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation).

https://uihc.org/health-topics/family-guide-ecmo

Even the H1N1 of 2009 caused death by organ failure in heart, liver, lungs, and kidneys. Bad flus can do VERY bad things not all of which are treatable with antibiotics or antivirals. Or in time.


66 posted on 01/24/2020 11:49:47 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Cytokine storm.

Lots of healthy young people in 1918 went to bed healthy and symptom free but never woke up.


69 posted on 01/24/2020 11:56:15 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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