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Forget red-flag laws to tackle guns. Here’s a better way that focuses on mental health
Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | January 23, 2020 | John R. Lott, Jr

Posted on 01/27/2020 2:20:11 PM PST by rogerantone1

Nobody wants dangerous people to get guns. In the wake of the West Freeway Church of Christ attack, people are pushing red-flag laws, which allow police to take away the guns of people deemed dangerous to themselves or others. But a better alternative already exists.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; bakeract; banglist; ccw; cprc; justinfairfax; mentalhealth; metoo; nra; ralphnortham; redflaglaws; secondamendment; virginia

1 posted on 01/27/2020 2:20:11 PM PST by rogerantone1
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To: rogerantone1

> Nobody wants dangerous people to get guns. <

And liberals don’t want anyone to get guns. Except for their own bodyguards, of course.


2 posted on 01/27/2020 2:23:06 PM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: rogerantone1

The red flag law of Colorado is not interested in mental health and does not address it at all. It is an unconstitutional over reach to make the groundwork to seize guns.


3 posted on 01/27/2020 2:23:29 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: rogerantone1

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Liberals with guns are a danger to themselves and others. Don’t let liberals get your guns.


4 posted on 01/27/2020 2:26:18 PM PST by Perseverando (Liberals, Progressives, Islamonazis, Statists, Commies, DemoKKKrats: It's a Godlessness disorder.)
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To: rogerantone1

Yes, this has been around for years, usually based on the person doing something stupid, acting out, etc. At the end of their detention, a judge would adjudicate them as mentally fit or unfit. This is better than just anybody taking away the person’ 2a rights.


5 posted on 01/27/2020 2:30:57 PM PST by umgud
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To: rogerantone1

What Mr. Lott does not seem to understand is that those pushing and implementing red flag laws are not the slightest bit interested in public safety. They are interested in disarming the law-abiding citizens of this country, and they have finally found a way to do it, albeit somewhat slowly at first. This is all about control and power, not safety. These laws violate due process and the second amendment, and they must all be thrown out as blatantly unconstitutional.


6 posted on 01/27/2020 3:01:19 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: rogerantone1

Shouldn’t the right to vote be revoked from the mentally ill - like those in Antifa?


7 posted on 01/27/2020 3:01:38 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: rogerantone1
When this is considered mentally healthy...



...how can you identify the mentally ill?
8 posted on 01/27/2020 3:07:51 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: rogerantone1

Typical dumbass idea. Identify a deranged psycho with a gun. Raid his house and take his guns. Enrage him, let him watch as his dad’s guns are banged around and taken away. Let him know that coworkers or family has turned on him. isolate him more.

Leave with the guns. Leave this there alone... bitter and more angry that before.

Leave him with gasoline, explosives, knives, hatchets, chainsaws, machetes, axes, rental trucks, cars, poisons, electricity, matches, etc.

If it were me, I think I would lock up the psycho. And this is already fully possible if they are truly a danger and you can demonstrate it.


9 posted on 01/27/2020 3:10:14 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: rogerantone1

Lets see...

On Saturday a person in my apartment building decided to cut off his gps ankle bracelet, fire a gun inside his apartment, take a couple of shots out the window at the armored swat vehicle that soon arrived. Well, that set the alarm off for every cop in the area to descend.

A four hour negotiation later the perp is walked out and charged with a long list (to be added to his existing long list) including possessing ammunition without a FOI card, no gun permit(massachustts), discharging a firearm within 500 ft of a residence, attempted murder of a police officer, etc.

No more laws are needed, there are plenty already.

Me, I just took the dog out for a walk in the woods and then got some breakfast as the gas had been turned off in the building and the stove wouldn’t work.

One idiot rang up a huge expense for everybody involved.


10 posted on 01/27/2020 3:11:27 PM PST by glorgau
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To: mountainlion

It’s also a powerful tool for social control. You speak up for Trump, or against illegals, tranny story hour, moslems, etc... A coworker makes a call. That damned democrat in every family who makes thanksgiving suck makes a call. It gets used in nearly every divorce or breakup the way women accuse you of child abuse today.

A gun owner has to tip toe around being extremely careful about what they say.

Red flag is nazis reporting Jews in the neighborhood. It’s the Soviet grandma sitting in the apartment stairwell, noticing everything in the building. Red flag is weaponizing and empowering anti gunners against normal Americans.


11 posted on 01/27/2020 3:18:55 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Perseverando

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Liberals with guns are a danger to themselves and others. Don’t let liberals get your guns.

Better yet, shouldn’t they be stripped of weapons first? I mean how man “sane” people believe in:

Aborting babies at birth?
600 different ‘Binary sexs, when the suffix “bi” means 2?
Thinks republicans are NAZI’s when NAZI’s were socialist like they are?
Believe that you can’t be trusted with your own decision making?
Litterally mad all the time and going MAD insane because someone who ran for president kept his promises and is making life better for everyone!

Liberals, taking away your ability to defend yourself, so only they can defend you...while killing you and your family!


12 posted on 01/27/2020 3:48:48 PM PST by Bommer (2020 - Vote all incumbent congressmen and senators out! VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!)
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To: rogerantone1
When a person is too unstable to be denied access to firearms (which,of course,can happen) he/she is too unstable to be roaming the streets.

IOW in such situations he/she should be committed to a psychiatric facility. All 50 states have very specific,and well established,laws allowing for that to happen when medically necessary.

Given the laws I just mentioned "red flag" laws have absolutely *nothing* to do with safety and *everything* to do with contempt for 2nd Amendment rights.

13 posted on 01/27/2020 3:49:39 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: rogerantone1

TIME to return to the Texas Declaration of Independence!

“It has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defence, the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”


14 posted on 01/27/2020 3:52:33 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Telepathic Intruder

A woman declaring herself to be Marie Antoinette and looks for someone to cut off her head is a nut and is to be locked up.
A MAN, claiming to be Marie Antoinette and wants to have his pecker chopped off, is considered “normal”.


15 posted on 01/27/2020 4:02:20 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: mountainlion

“The red flag law of Colorado is not interested in mental health and does not address it at all. It is an unconstitutional over reach to make the groundwork to seize guns.”

I’m waiting for the first legal challenge (not the Ft. Collins cop who got defended by the DA) to kick this off. I’m still wondering why we aren’t parked in front of the legislators house who introduced this Bloomberg strategy.


16 posted on 01/27/2020 4:03:03 PM PST by dljordan
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To: DesertRhino

I remember reading of a man who’s home was raided and his MINT CONDITION unfired Thompson sub-machine gun, legally licensed and registered confiscated.
It took him several years of lawsuits to get his Thompson back, and when it was returned to him it was a rusted up wreck.


17 posted on 01/27/2020 4:11:40 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: rogerantone1
The weirdest case I ever saw was Jared Lee Loughner. All his life he was judged to be insane but nobody committed him. He went nuts at a college and deputies were called and threw him out but they didn't commit him in spite of the fact that everyone could tell he was insane.

Then he buys a gun, goes on a murder spree and get arrested. They declare him insane but force him to take drugs until he's sane.

Then they convict him as a sane person and send him to jail where he is consigned to a psychiatric jail facility.
18 posted on 01/27/2020 4:58:00 PM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: dljordan

Our dictatorial governor has signed laws undoing the laws the people passed like the crude oil bill and now are after the death penalty to establish their dictatorship. This explains the gun laws, magazine laws and even the gay mandates.


19 posted on 01/28/2020 6:52:06 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: rogerantone1

Anyone who cannot be trusted to be armed should not be running around loose.


20 posted on 01/28/2020 7:18:11 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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