Posted on 02/17/2020 4:09:32 AM PST by karpov
I wager you’re 100% right. Just what RATs need to exercise increased control. Plus, it will take the focus off of Newsom’s incompetence.
Thank you.
Plus, I read on an earlier thread about a journalist visiting san fransicko to see if the problem was as bad as he'd heard. He saw latin american immigrants dealing meth in open. No worries.
That's even better than vending machine dope. They deliver.
– John Adams
Certainly. Note that neither Adams nor any other Founder ever said laws could make a people moral.
All of Noble’s arguments in post # 37 are the exact same arguments used by leftists, all the way down the slippery slope— poor, poor drug addicts, anything goes, no personal responsibility,the larger society must bear all the costs & negative consequences while the individual bears none.
Yet you libertarians insist on categorizing yourselves as conservatives.
True conservatives do not accept the “people are going to do it anyway (”it” being abortion/drugs/assault/theft) so let’s just take away personal guilt/ punishment/ bail and encourage more people to do it and make everyone else pay for it” bullshit.
True conservatives know *some* people are going to violate laws and basic moral standards. That’s why we have the 4th Amendment.
If you want to shoot up meth & heroin in your own house, that’s your business.
If you OD in your house, that’s your problem, too, not the government’s business to pay for your consequences with my money, and certainly the government shouldn’t be using my money to pay you to shoot up on the streets and make our cities unliveable for the rest of us.
Agreed. At some point, anarchy & societal breakdown will lead to rounding up the “undesireables” & shipping them off, out of sight.
The people will cheer.
Agreed.
But that’s why the Founding Fathers gave us the 4th Amendment and why we generally have—until recently—made a distinction between public & private behavior.
The laws are meant to be enforced in the public square, while at the same time, the Constitution keeps the government out of people’s bedrooms.
NobleFree continues to argue that no such distinctions should be made, and that “anything goes” in public is what the Founding Fathers intended.
I have made none of those arguments - those are merely straw men you have propped up to battle because you can't refute what I have actually argued.
So sad for you.
I said nothing remotely of the sort - that's another of your pathetic straw men.
In your very own words, you consistently defend & promote the very same policies— decriminalization of street drugs and taxpayer funded free needle handouts— promoted by the left, which are not only NOT working, but are turning our cities into a living hell.
You sir, are a troll.
“Society has largely forgotten that the purpose of traditional morals was to protect the weak and stupid primarily from their own inability to choose wisely and secondarily to protect them from predatory humans.
Having jettisoned morality we now have a government of predatory humans making an industry out of the poor choices of the weak and stupid.”
Very well said, Val, except I would include libertarians with soft-headed liberals, and I would insist (again) that the LAW —which is grounded in traditional morality— must be enforced in the public square, lest we surrender to anarchy. Which is exactly what is happening.
You consistently refuse to quote my very own words.
you consistently defend & promote the very same policies— decriminalization of street drugs and taxpayer funded free needle handouts
False - here, my very own words, is what I promote: "I'd prefer to see taxpayer costs reduced still further by leaving diseased users to private charity or Darwin".
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