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It's time for the Supreme Court to treat all speech equally
The Hill ^ | 02 24 2020 | Daniel Ortner

Posted on 02/24/2020 7:49:29 AM PST by yesthatjallen

In a free society, speech at times can be annoying, obnoxious, unsettling or offensive. Panhandlers and political protesters can approach you on the street. Controversial ideas can be expressed on tee shirts, bumper stickers or license plates. And governments cannot block speech merely because it is irritating or bothersome — unless you are talking about commercial speech, in which case government bureaucrats have been given more deference to restrict speech.

For example, the New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission determined that Uber and Lyft drivers could not install tablets that would display advertisements or allow passengers to play games to earn the drivers a little extra income. In a city filled with 9,000-square-foot billboards, street performers and buskers, the TLC’s desire to shield riders from advertisements is quaint and paternalistic. And the Second Circuit, unfortunately, upheld that decision and found that, because commercial speech was at stake, the regulation could stand.

The Supreme Court should take up the case to reverse that decision and overturn old precedents that have given second-class status to commercial speech.

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It is time for the Supreme Court to recognize that there isn’t a clear line between commercial and non-commercial speech, and that commercial speech is therefore worthy of full constitutional protection.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2ndcircuit; 2ndcircus; commercialspeech; freespeech; judiciary; lawsuit; politicaljudiciary; scotus; secondcircuit; secondcircus; supremecourt
I don't particularly like ubiquitous ads everywhere but does the government have the right to decide and favor one form of speech over another?
1 posted on 02/24/2020 7:49:29 AM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

Especially inside of a taxi service.


2 posted on 02/24/2020 7:57:09 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: yesthatjallen

But we also need to be able to slam the Media for slander or libel. They lie with impunity and that needs to stop. First Amendment should not protect them.


3 posted on 02/24/2020 8:03:00 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: yesthatjallen

Legitimate restrictions on commercial speech are those disfavoring misleading or deceptive claims. Blocking speech because an agency holds you by the license is nonsense.


4 posted on 02/24/2020 8:12:46 AM PST by jimfree (My19 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than an 8 year Obama.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; PGalt
But we also need to be able to slam the Media for slander or libel. They lie with impunity and that needs to stop.
Absolutely.

Trump’s threat to sue for libel is justified and necessary. He should also sue the wire services for antitrust violation.

The argument against it is that SCOTUS claimed in NYT v. Sullivan that 1A reduced the traditional right (of public officials, at least) to sue for libel.

The argument against THAT was enunciated by Scalia: the Bill of Rights in general and 1A in particular was crafted not to change any existing right, but to secure existing rights against change. Thus, no court held that libel law was changed by 1A until the Warren Court arrogated to itself the right to diminish the right to sue for libel.

A talk show host might worry that without Sullivan, Democrat pols might be enabled to sue them. Which could be a legit concern, but . . . the problem we face is “the media” which is actually the journalism cartel.

SCOTUS could easily reduce the protection against libel specifically for the journalism cartel on antitrust grounds, without affecting talk shows at all. And it is quite clear that wire service journalism (including the members of the AP) is a cartel.

“People of the same trade,” Adam Smith remarked, “seldom meet together, even for merriment or diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or some contrivance to raise prices.”

Since the wire services are nothing other than a continuous virtual meeting of all major US journalism, in effect since before the Civil War, wire service journalism has been cartel journalism since memory of living man runneth not to the contrary.

“The media” - the journalism cartel - “conspires against the public” by manipulating American English language to prevent clear thinking about politics and virtue. E.g., “objectivity” - like “moderate” or “progressive” or “liberal” means “agreeing with the journalism perspective” - and neither more nor less. But unlike any other word, “objective” is only applied to journalists, never to others - and journalists are never given any of the other labels which otherwise, in their lexicon, mean exactly the same thing.

Thomas Paine emphasized that (whatever socialists will tell you) “society” and “government” are two different things, and in fact are near opposites. “Government” includes the Deep State, the journalism cartel, unions, and the Democrat Party. And “society” includes voluntary organizations, “the market," and the Trump Republican Party.

Since journalism is about surprises, and surprises are generally failures of plans and thus bad news, journalism is inherently negative. Since the cartel claims that journalists are objective, knowing that journalism is negative, it effectively claims that “negativity is objectivity” - and that is cynicism.

Journalism is cynical about society, thus naive about government - and that is why the journalism cartel promotes socialism. We, OTOH, are skeptical of both. We admit government is necessary because society is imperfect - but we also know that government is imperfect and even dangerous. We eschew both cynicism and naiveté.

Since the journalism cartel is sophistry, any talk show host who takes them on is perforce - in ancient Greek terms - a philosopher.


5 posted on 02/24/2020 8:44:05 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Since the journalism cartel is sophistry, any talk show host who takes them on is perforce - in ancient Greek terms - a philosopher.

That's an interesting read. I'll be chewing on your little essay all day long.

6 posted on 02/24/2020 9:54:53 AM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote...)
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To: yesthatjallen

Gas pumps that talk to us while we’re filling gas should be outlawed.

Ok, maybe not, but I avoid those stations.


7 posted on 02/24/2020 10:09:01 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: yesthatjallen
Here's the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit [as of January 2, 2020]:

Judges:	          13
Circuit Justice:  Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Chief Judge:	  Robert A. Katzmann

Next Chief Judge: Debra Ann Livingston? 2020?
==================
Age	Title	        Judge	                Duty station    Born	Term of service	                Appointed by
67	Chief Judge	Robert Katzmann	     #  New York, NY	1953	1999–present   &2013–present	Clinton
79	Circuit Judge	José A. Cabranes     #  New Haven, CT	1940	1994–present	—	—	Clinton
82	Circuit Judge	Rosemary S. Pooler	Syracuse, NY	1938	1998–present	—	—	Clinton
71	Circuit Judge	Peter W. Hall	     #  Rutland, VT	1948	2004–present	—	—	G.W. Bush
61	Circuit Judge	Debra Ann Livingston #	New York, NY	1959	2007–present	—	—	G.W. Bush
66	Circuit Judge	Denny Chin	        New York, NY	1954	2010–present	—	—	Obama
54	Circuit Judge	Raymond Lohier	     #  New York, NY	1965	2010–present	—	—	Obama
69	Circuit Judge	Susan L. Carney	        New Haven, CT	1951	2011–present	—	—	Obama
56	Circuit Judge	Richard J. Sullivan  *  New York, NY	1964	2018–present	—	—	Trump
54	Circuit Judge	Joseph F. Bianco     *  Central Islip	1966	2019–present	—	—	Trump
44	Circuit Judge	Michael H. Park	     *  New York, NY	1976	2019–present	—	—	Trump
51	Circuit Judge	William J. Nardini	New Haven, CT	1969	2019–present	—	—	Trump
41	Circuit Judge	Steven Menashi	     *  New York, NY	1979	2019–present	—	—	Trump

=========================
88	Senior Circuit 	Jon O. Newman	        Hartford, CT	1932	1979–1997	1997–present	Carter       &1993–1997
83	Senior Circuit 	Amalya Lyle Kearse	New York, NY	1937	1979–2002	2002–present	Carter
85	Senior Circuit 	Ralph K. Winter Jr.  #	New Haven, CT	1935	1981–2000	2000–present	Reagan       &1997–2000
79	Senior Circuit 	John M. Walker Jr.   #  New Haven, CT	1940	1989–2006	2006–present	G.H.W. Bush  &2000–2006
76	Senior Circuit 	Dennis Jacobs	     *  New York, NY	1944	1992–2019	2019–present	G.H.W. Bush  &2006–2013
83	Senior Circuit 	Pierre N. Leval	     #  New York, NY	1936	1993–2002	2002–present	Clinton
87	Senior Circuit 	Guido Calabresi	     #  New Haven, CT	1932	1994–2009	2009–present	Clinton
83	Senior Circuit 	Chester J. Straub	inactive	1937	1998–2008	2008–present	Clinton
80	Senior Circuit 	Robert D. Sack	        New York, NY	1939	1998–2009	2009–present	Clinton
76	Senior Circuit 	Barrington Parker Jr.	New York, NY	1944	2001–2009	2009–present	G.W. Bush
69	Senior Circuit 	Reena Raggi	     #  Brooklyn, NY	1951	2002–2018	2018–present	G.W. Bush
71	Senior Circuit 	Richard C. Wesley    #  Geneseo, NY	1949	2003–2016	2016–present	G.W. Bush
68	Senior Circuit 	Gerard E. Lynch	        New York, NY	1951	2009–2016	2016–present	Obama

& denotes Chief Judge of the Court
* denotes Federalist Society member
# denotes Federalist Society associate

8 posted on 02/24/2020 10:23:50 AM PST by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: no-s
sophist
1542, earlier sophister (c.1380), from L. sophista, sophistes, from Gk. sophistes, from sophizesthai "to become wise or learned," from sophos "wise, clever," of unknown origin. Gk. sophistes came to mean "one who gives intellectual instruction for pay," and, contrasted with "philosopher," it became a term of contempt. Ancient sophists were famous for their clever, specious arguments.
philosopher
O.E. philosophe, from L. philosophus, from Gk. philosophos "philosopher," lit. "lover of wisdom," from philos "loving" + sophos "wise, a sage."

"Pythagoras was the first who called himself philosophos, instead of sophos, 'wise man,' since this latter term was suggestive of immodesty." [Klein]

philosophy
A fondness or love for wisdom that leads to searches for it; hence, seeking a knowledge of the general principles of elements, powers, examples, and laws that are supported by facts and the existence of rational explanations about practical wisdom and knowledge.

9 posted on 02/25/2020 1:52:40 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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