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To: Leaning Right

[Conventional bombing did not break the spirit of the Japanese fanatics in WW II. So I doubt if it will break the spirit of the Islamic fanatics in Afghanistan now.]


Actually, they were near the breaking point. There was widespread hunger and famine in parts of the country. The amount of devastation inflicted on Japan was severe. Roughly 4% of the country lay dead at war’s end. Whereas we haven’t even scratched the surface in Afghanistan. Out of a population of 35m, we have killed perhaps 85,000, or .25% (including hostile civilians - the Taliban have taken care to kill civilians friendly to the US). To match the Japanese casualty %’s, we’d have to kill 15x the number of Taliban and hostile civilian dead we’ve inflicted to date.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)

The principal reason this war is dragging on is because we haven’t taken the gloves off. Genghis Khan is said to have wipe out entire cities. I’m a little skeptical, because they lived off the land (i.e. local civilians). No local civilians, no food. If you kill them all, what do you do for food on the way back from an expedition? You can’t carry it all with you. Draft animals need to be fed and watered, etc etc. But even Alexander, over a thousand years prior to the Mongols, killed vast numbers of people in cities that resisted him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thebes#Destruction_of_Thebes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tyre_(332_BC)#Conclusion_of_the_siege
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Gaza#Consequences_of_the_siege
https://www.livius.org/sources/content/diodorus/alexander-sacks-persepolis/


20 posted on 03/02/2020 9:44:46 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

> Actually, they [the Japanese in 1945] were near the breaking point. <

True enough. But without both A-bombs they still would not have surrendered.

> The principal reason this war is dragging on is because we haven’t taken the gloves off. <

I certainly agree with that. And that’s 100% on Bush II. Right after 9/11 the entire West was with us. America was united. NATO was ready to be activated. But instead of total war, Bush decided to go with a mushy blend of police-action and nation-building while the Taliban was still unbroken.

But wait. It gets worse. Bush then decided to invade Iraq. That would be as if FDR decided to invade Russia soon after Pearl Harbor. Bush II did perhaps irreparable harm to this country. He can go straight to... (I better stop here).


21 posted on 03/02/2020 10:01:05 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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