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Some Coronavirus Humility: The pandemic may prove as bad as some warn; it is also possible that our response could prove as harmful as the virus itself.
City Journal ^ | March 16, 2020 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/17/2020 5:56:59 AM PDT by karpov

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In our current hours of COVID-19 despair, we must fight both the virus and the panic that the disease instills, given that the two can be equally deadly. All sorts of scary statistics about the coronavirus infection and lethality rates are being publicized, often to show contrasts with annual influenza strains and other viral epidemics. Some make the legitimate point that if the coronavirus has a lethality rate of over 1 percent to 3 percent in the United States, then perhaps 97 percent to 99 percent of those infected will survive the illness, albeit with varying degrees of seriousness. And for the vast majority of Americans under 50, it may be that 99 percent will recover from infection, in contrast with almost every known “pandemic” in history.

Others, more pessimistic—or perhaps realistic—retort that such an apparently low lethality rate shouldn’t be cause for relief. After all, COVID-19 will likely remain 10 to 20 times more lethal than annual influenzas (with their 0.01 percent to 0.02 percent death rates). Thus, in theory, it could kill not merely 30,000 to 60,000 of some 60 million infected Americans per year, as does an average flu, but rather 300,000 to 600,000, or even double that number. All too possible again.

But the problem with all such educated guesses is that we simply don’t have hard data, at least not yet. If we assume that around 43 million Americans got the flu in the 2018–2019 season and 61,000 died (for a lethality rate, say, of 0.14 percent), that figure is arrived at by the more exact numbers of known deaths—determined by data from given hospitalizations and coroner reports, and past calibrations and experience.

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1 posted on 03/17/2020 5:56:59 AM PDT by karpov
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Israel just passed sweeping powers to track mobile phones so they can tell who is breaking quarantine and who has been in the vicinity of someone who tested positive.

I can absolutely see legislation granting broad powers to the federal bureaucracy above what governors have. It would make the Patriot Act look like a minor inconvenience.

It would be unconstitutional, but we cannot rely on SCOTUS to decide that. We must stand ready to prevent it.


2 posted on 03/17/2020 5:59:36 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is communism)
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3 posted on 03/17/2020 6:03:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: karpov
It's going to be really bad near the end


4 posted on 03/17/2020 6:06:22 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: karpov
(from the article) :" But the problem with all such educated guesses is that we simply don’t have hard data, at least not yet."

True that we don't yet have enough data regarding the Wuhan flu.
Mentioned on FoxNews, was a nurse who contracted covid 19 while on holdiday in Hawaii .
She noted that symptoms didn't occur until her return home, and then following regular flu symptoms, she noted a shortness of breath.
One of the residual outcomes from the virus may be a shortness of breath, as much as 30% reduced breathing capacity.
This loss of breathing capacity needs to be further investigated, as re-infection could lead to a need for a respirator,
and could result in influenza increase of fatalities.

5 posted on 03/17/2020 6:06:25 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: karpov

Well people should have thought of that before they whipped it into a frenzy on sites like this.

Now they complain about the response by the state?

They are “responding” in direct proportion to the hysteria.


6 posted on 03/17/2020 6:10:30 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: karpov

bttt


7 posted on 03/17/2020 6:11:44 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
This loss of breathing capacity needs to be further investigated, as re-infection could lead to a need for a respirator, and could result in influenza increase of fatalities.

Which makes the point that keeping the infection spread below what can be supported by present health care facilities is key to limiting long term damage to the populace.

8 posted on 03/17/2020 6:12:08 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: karpov

Well if Victor Davis Hanson can’t make up his big mind about this, I feel better that neither can I


9 posted on 03/17/2020 6:12:23 AM PDT by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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The number of influenza cases in the flue season mortality rate is estimated.

The number of cases in the coronavirus mortality rate is the actual, positively tested number.

These values are the denominator in the mortality rate calculation.

The FACT is the two calculations cannot be compared, because one uses assumptions that are not available and/or applied to the other. They are apples and oranges.

IMO, of course.


10 posted on 03/17/2020 6:16:48 AM PDT by MortMan (Shouldn't "palindrome" read the same forward and backward?)
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To: karpov

Smart people get it. We’re doing it WRONG.


11 posted on 03/17/2020 6:17:03 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: karpov

I didn’t see the byline at first, but read the first sentence and knew this was Hanson. He’s not only intelligent and a great thinker, but wise and prudent to boot. I always enjoy reading his thoughts and am always edified by them.


12 posted on 03/17/2020 6:18:59 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Erik Latranyi

An epidemic of increased surveillance powers.

Once governments get a taste of this they will look for ways to use and expand it.


13 posted on 03/17/2020 6:21:47 AM PDT by Starboard (has so far)
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To: karpov

(looks at Italy’s 7% Corona fatality rate) It is best to be prudent


14 posted on 03/17/2020 6:22:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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WTF Texas? 57 tests and all are positive. Come Gov Abbett start testing aggressively.


15 posted on 03/17/2020 6:22:12 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: karpov

ut the problem with all such educated guesses is that we simply don’t have hard data,


and we never will. the data morph according to the political agenda.

There is no hard data (and maybe never was). The truth is a rare commodity.


16 posted on 03/17/2020 6:22:19 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: karpov

Yes! Just as our attempts to prevent global warming AT ANY COST will also be not worth the price.


17 posted on 03/17/2020 6:22:26 AM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: karpov

even the death of 600,000 people doesn’t justify the destruction of civilization


18 posted on 03/17/2020 6:23:32 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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The problem now is if it is not bad, we will not know if it was the prevention or just not bad. We can take Italy and South Korea (at the start) and try to use them as examples. No prevention allowed it to explode early.


19 posted on 03/17/2020 6:23:42 AM PDT by pas
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To: bert

This is over. No more hockey sticks since the NHL suspended play.


20 posted on 03/17/2020 6:25:32 AM PDT by pas
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