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In Defense of Congressman Thomas Massie
Townhall.com ^ | March 30,2020 | John Lott

Posted on 03/30/2020 6:55:32 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: MarkL

Never let a crisis go to waste.

BTW - Obamacare wasn’t a Panic Bill (or was it?) but it Passed without anyone even reading it in the dead of night.

99% of the Legislation Congress passes is Unconstitutional on its face, yet it goes on and on.


21 posted on 03/30/2020 8:05:30 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Kill a Commie for your Mommy.)
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To: Kaslin

I agree with Massie that everyone in Congress should have to be on record about the massive spending bill. But this should be done either in the chambers, on the phone, or via computer.


22 posted on 03/30/2020 8:11:01 AM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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To: Redwood71
It was amateurish politics all around.

Even a half-assed politician would know that you should work those things out beforehand instead of getting steamrolled and facing a PR storm.

He didn't even get a single other House member to "second" his motion.

At the end of the day, this accomplished absolutely nothing.

23 posted on 03/30/2020 8:11:49 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.)
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To: Kaslin

BS. In his unnecessary grandstanding, he gave Pelosi and Schumer cover for THEIR delays. I’m sure he’s a decent man, but he is also a politician. If a politician lacks even the most basic political instincts he needs to find a new job.


24 posted on 03/30/2020 8:21:12 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: jimmygrace

What was the delay, like 20 minutes?


25 posted on 03/30/2020 8:21:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Alberta's Child
At the end of the day, this accomplished absolutely nothing.

Not quite. It encouraged those of us who thought there wasn't one man of principle left in that swamp.

At least there was one.

26 posted on 03/30/2020 8:23:13 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Kickass Conservative

All but a few present voice voted yes. All others agreed, by not being there. Just the biggest government aid package in human history.

https://youtu.be/NfMd0W4E67E


27 posted on 03/30/2020 9:15:05 AM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and so few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: Alberta's Child

He and his Davey Crockett, congressman form neighboring Tennesee, have exactly the right instincts here..

“Not yours to give...”

http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/im/magnus/misc/nytg.html

just sayin’


28 posted on 03/30/2020 9:24:08 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible")
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To: dfwgator

20 minutes, played up like a full day by the mainstream media. Oh what a surprise that they would do that!


29 posted on 03/30/2020 9:59:43 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: j.argese

What you are seem to be saying is the government can ignore the Constitution. The implications of a government unrestrained are very bad.


30 posted on 03/30/2020 10:27:00 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Dalberg-Acton

No. Actually, you’re correct. You, Sir, possess the single insight into this great Republic. Why this great nation ever makes a move without you keen intellect to guide it is beyond me.


31 posted on 03/30/2020 10:52:33 AM PDT by j.argese (/s tags: If you have a mind unnecessary. If you're a cretin it really doesn't matter, does it?)
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To: MarkL

“....a recorded vote must be taken.”

The use of the electronic device is the only way to be forced to display their vote. A call from their home isn’t. It even states directives from the Committee on Rules that after voting using the card electronically it is wise for the Member to go to another voting station and reinsert the voting card until the light comes on and verifies the vote cast at the first station. The Member should also visually check the voting board to make sure that the light next to his or her name reflects the intended vote. I find it curious that they can’t even trust their own equipment to tell the truth. So forcing the members to vote in house is the only way recordable without human intervention. And I think that’s what he intended to do.

“Far too often, panic bills allow them to be loaded up with crap that has nothing to do with what is supposed to be happening.”

And they should be identified with this and their constituents informed.

“.....where President Trump COULD HAVE vetoed the $25 million going to the Kennedy Center...”

Problem there is that if he line items anything, it will have to go back to the house and it could be over ridden by a two thirds majority. But worse than that, they will make it a point to have their media attack dogs go out and tell the world Trump is stalling while people are dying. They’re already doing it lying about it anyway. But I really feel they were fishing for a reason to get after him in front of the voters...that I think was a trap to do just that. You may not like Massey, and I feel there are others in the house far more dishonest and damaging, but he was going the right direction to protect Trump on this issue whether he meant to or not.

rwood


32 posted on 03/30/2020 1:41:47 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Alberta's Child

“....this accomplished absolutely nothing.”

It could have if it had been handled properly. It could have relieved Trump of the responsibility of paying the pork while trying to expedite the bill so he would have lost both ways because he couldn’t afford to let this bill die in the house or he’d get blamed as no one would know why.

rwood


33 posted on 03/30/2020 1:49:49 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: MarkL
There should be a requirement that any time a bill is passed that involves any sort of funding, a recorded vote must be taken.

The voice vote allows congress-critters cover for voting for pork-laden bills, and removes accountability to the constituent.


The only things a voice vote should be allowed on is nonbinding resolutions and House rules. Anything else that actually affects anything, should always be required to be recorded.
34 posted on 03/30/2020 6:29:38 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Redwood71

Which is why I’ve recently been rethinking my views on “Tarring and Feathering.”

I realize it will cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns, but I’m now OK with that for those congress-critters who want to “take advantage of a good crisis.”

Mark


35 posted on 03/31/2020 9:06:22 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

“....congress-critters who want to “take advantage of a good crisis.”

Pretty obvious, ain’t it? And this one can erase using the media on the absolutely, and embarrassing even more than Biden, failed impeachment process. This is one of the reasons why Pelosi didn’t want it to go forward and was finally forced. The media would have to bury it on page 103. And they were stuck right out in the open having to put up or shut up on that one. So they salvaged themselves by going to another “scary” topic. And the machine drove it home.

rwood


36 posted on 03/31/2020 9:28:38 AM PDT by Redwood71
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