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1 posted on 03/31/2020 7:39:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Most likely our legal environment prevents these ventilators from being sold here.

Gotta love our lawyers!


2 posted on 03/31/2020 7:48:27 PM PDT by BobL
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“....But the contract HHS signed in September 2019 gave Philips almost a year before it had to produce a single Trilogy Evo Universal, and two more years to fulfill the order of 10,000 ventilators....”
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Hmmm...it sounds like the company is working within its contractual obligations. This article is simply yet another attempt to throw shade on Trump’s administration.


4 posted on 03/31/2020 8:03:28 PM PDT by House Atreides (It is not a HOAX but it IS A PRETEXT!)
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Interesting article but decidedly anti-Trump even though in the body of this story, a lot of the problems occurred and we not solved during the almost 8 years of the Obama regime.

Just look at the dates for a timeline from 2008 (election Nov. 2008, inauguration Jan. 20, 2009, so you have to give the new administration about 6-9 months to get settled in and projects up and running. However, the Democrats never gave Pres. Bush is leeway re 9/11. All the preparations for the attack took place before he was president and then when he had only been in office for less than 8 months, plus the FBI middle-management that existed under Clinton poo-poohed field agent reports on possible aircraft attacks on America.

You can slant anything anyway you want to, and leftist groups like ProPublica are experts at it.


5 posted on 03/31/2020 8:03:44 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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[However, in a subsequent statement, the HHS spokeswoman said Philips is only required to deliver the ventilators “as they are completed.” Klink, the company spokesman, said Philips was only committed to meeting the original contract deadline of 10,000 ventilators by September 2022. ]


The key part Propublica buries in the middle of its propaganda screed. Typical Propublica BS. Good, cheap, fast. Pick any two. If they had specified a deadline of 2020, the price wouldn’t have been $14m.


6 posted on 03/31/2020 8:05:20 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Story is too long. Can we get a digest?


8 posted on 03/31/2020 8:13:05 PM PDT by firebrand
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Trust the experts.


10 posted on 03/31/2020 8:27:32 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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From what I can gather, the contract wasn’t due until 2022, and the sale of commercial versions helps bring down the cost of the stockpile versions... and the stockpile design requires parts that have to be acquired from all over the globe, meaning that they can only be produced as parts suppliers can supply...and now the suppliers are having trouble due to the pandemic, so they can’t get everything as fast as estimated, etc...


11 posted on 03/31/2020 8:29:43 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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The guts of this story. Company nakes several versions of ventilator. Hhs paid them to develop and deliver 10,000 low cost ventilators by decenber 2021.

The company has not started delivery, but continues to sell expensive ones to overseas customers.

This is somehow a scandal.

I suppose trump could order them to fill our 2021 contract before existing foriegn contracts. Then other countries would be screwed, and im sure trump would be blamed for deaths in those countries.

Or we could get a new manufacturer, which increases world supplies.

But that is seen as a corrupt thing somehow.


13 posted on 03/31/2020 8:37:05 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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A very long piece with lots of claims which overwhelm the reader. This is done to make it impossible to discern facts and what is true.

This is pure obfuscation meant to confuse rather than clarify. The purpose is to force people to accept the headline as fact because the article is so confusing the reader can't recognize which facts are important.

15 posted on 03/31/2020 9:06:35 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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Its time to confront idiot liberals and ask them what they would have done to stop a global pandemic before it got here.Trump appears to be the only leader outside of China being blamed.


16 posted on 03/31/2020 9:16:12 PM PDT by Bommer (I am a MAGA-Deplorian! It is the way! It is the only way!)
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The company is Respironics. “ Royal Philips N.V. — began selling two higher-priced commercial versions of the same ventilator around the world.”

I’m calling BS on this story. The Trilogy 100 and 200 have been on the market for years. They are European designs. My employer has thousands of these units in use on patients in the US. Our local center has 65 of these that we manage in patient homes.

There are two hospital versions as well, the Vision and V-60.

This story doesn’t pass the smell test.


17 posted on 03/31/2020 9:30:55 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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"Instead, Philips is negotiating with a White House team led by Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to build 43,000 more complex and expensive hospital ventilators for Americans stricken by the virus."

Its because they see the country is desperate for these equipment and its a perfect opportunity to really price gouge the poor USA taxpayers, regardless of the fact that they company had gotten funds previously to do it for the USA but didnt fulfil that obligation.

18 posted on 03/31/2020 9:46:44 PM PDT by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Shut the mouth of lions Lord, let his enemies be the Cat Food instead.)
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When you can just print up another few Trillion dollars waste and fraud become irrelevant.

I wonder who made off with millions for this flaming “screwup”?

If we could we need to remember who did what and punish them. Not get back at them, not get even, get ahead.


19 posted on 03/31/2020 9:49:16 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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Time to play some hardball.


21 posted on 03/31/2020 10:41:01 PM PDT by gogeo (The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
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ProPublica is Soros funded.

This is another three author hit piece against Trump.


24 posted on 04/01/2020 5:37:27 AM PDT by Romans Nine
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Ban their export.


25 posted on 04/01/2020 6:58:19 AM PDT by Wuli
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Yes, if one gets to the ‘meat’ of it there are/were some timelines.
Another example of a US Company with the ‘apron strings being pulled overseas’....
Great that OUR grocery stores etc though maybe managed here, are controlled by foreign entities.

NEVER FORGET the 12000 dollar hammer.

A company was charging US 12000 per hammer and one of our brilliant ‘rules writers’ (Politician) pointed out the same hammer could be bought at your local store for maybe 30 bucks.
Company held its comments for awhile until ‘we’ started boycotting the hammer in question and they finally explained themselves.

Their company was set up to make 500 hammers(??) a day and when the government wanted one they had to completely shut down their operation, clear ALL equipment of ‘foreign debris’, undergo inspections to ensure the plant is ‘clean’, then get the ‘new plans’, say for use in an USAF plane, have to ensure it would pass an ABomb (or worse) blast etc then after maybe a month the plant would be cleared to produce the 2 or 3 hammers the USAF wanted.
After the new hammers were produced the plant had to undergo a reverse process of readying the plant for ‘normal’ use.
SO, for 3 hammers the plant was down for a few months, one may say make 50 thousand while you are set up BUT it is impossible because the next ‘order’ will undoubtedly call for insertion or deletion of one of the components.

HENCE a 20 buck hammer is a ‘bargain’ at 12000 considering what the MFG has to go through.

OH YES, if they don’t ‘want’ to make the 3 hammers they are probably bound to that 100 year contract they were ‘forced’ to sign 40 years ago OR the govt could virtually ‘order’ them to produce them in the name of National Security.

Basically the same problem when the GOVERNMENT and its bureaucrats and lawyers get involved.


26 posted on 04/01/2020 7:15:35 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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