Medical Expert Sees 'Beginning of the End' in Coronavirus Fight with New Treatment Results

The Western Journal ^ | Published April 2, 2020 | Randy DeSoto

[Chickensoup]

It is FDC approved,

My primary group is saying that it is not CDC approved and they are not supplying it.

[Chickensoup]

They know it is FDA approved

[Hostage]

What I would do is I would ask they prescribe the treatment for me and if they so they can’t do it, I would ask when they can.

If they won’t do it, I would ask for a letter or have a friend witness them declining treatment.

I know it’s harsh but it’s business, they are selling you medicine and treatment, advice and consultation. It they won’t deliver what works, they should find someone in the area/region that will.

You might also look at telemedicine. A remote MD may have us go to a clinic where we are tested and seen, then prescribe based on the clinic’s findings.

Remember, the production is just now ramping up.

Good luck.

[Chickensoup]

cannot get the combo by telemed. even a friend in florida cannot write it.

[Hostage]

Keep trying, the process is still early.

If you’re having trouble breathing, or a family member, then you have an emergency. Look at your regional hospitals.

Hate to say this but people do die when they wait too long. Doesn’t matter how old they are or healthy they were.

They die because they cab’t get air into their lungs.

[Norseman]

>>Because others read these posts, let’s set the record straight.
Most Covid patients go see a physician when they have trouble breathing and they will die if they don’t get treatment soon.<<

That’s a complete fabrication on your part. Here’s a report on what Dr. Zelenko said about treating his patients: “He said he had been administering the cocktail to patients with shortness of breath of any age, and those over 60 years old or who are immunocompromised and exhibiting milder symptoms.” If the bulk of his patients were over 60, as is likely, any number of them could have been breathing normally but “exhibiting milder symptoms.” The point is, you don’t know.

>>Now note that Dr. Zelenko has tested positive for coronavirus.<<

News to me, but it could be possible. What I read is that he has quarantined himself because he has a lung issue and is taking HCQ prophylactically. If he’s got Covid-19, it apparently didn’t work, so hopefully he doesn’t.

>>Now note the good doctor saw 350 Covid-19 patients, meaning they all had lung shortness of breath problems.<<

Back to that again. Where does it say that in anything he reported. That’s your unsupported interpretation when you say the fact he saw 350 patients means the all had lung shortness of breath problems.

Look, this all started when I questioned your statement that he “was treating hundreds of Covid-19 pneumonia cases where patient’s lungs were filling up with fluid and they couldn’t breathe”

All I wrote was: “I think you’re way overstating the condition of Dr. Zelenko’s treated patients.” I still think that’s true, based on what he has publicly stated.

All of your nonsense about what I will not admit to ??? or what I do or do not know is irrelevant to that point. In fact, you don’t seem to be arguing that point yourself, preferring to obfuscate with all the other stuff above. Do you still claim that he had hundreds of patients whose lungs were already filling up with fluid to the point that they couldn’t breathe? Just where, exactly, did he say that?

Face it. You got carried away and wrote something that was more than just a slight exaggeration, which I pointed out in the interest of not exaggerating Dr. Zelenko’s interesting work. That is patently obvious to anyone reading our exchange. I’m not sure why you want to keep digging this hole, but have at it if it makes the “scientist” in you happy. I’m done now.

[Hostage]

The fact is that Update 3 reports Dr. Zelenko treated 350 COVID-19 patients, not SARS-COV-2 only patients, but COVID-19 patients.

When you know that means, and I explained it, then come back and talk about what you learned.

Those that don’t learn are idiots.

I have no time for idiots.

[Chaguito]

Thanks!

[Hiddigeigei]

Two comments or a question and a comment: 1.How much quinine is there in tonic water and is there the equivalent of the quinine in an hydroxychloroquine tablet? 2. My understanding is that the virus itself kills the cilia cells in the lung that clear the lungs of the mucus created by the goblet cells, which leads to death by asphyxia.

[Norseman]

>>The fact is that Update 3 reports Dr. Zelenko treated 350 COVID-19 patients, not SARS-COV-2 only patients, but COVID-19 patients.<<

More obfuscation. There are no SARS-COV-2 patients. That”s the name given the virus. My understanding is that all of the patients that have been infected by the virus are considered to have Covid-19, although some are asymptomatic. If they are asymptomatic but test positive for the virus, they are counted as a confirmed Covid-19 case.

By the way, does Dr. Zelenko really have Covid-19? You said he does and I hadn’t heard that anywhere else yet.

[Pelham]

this from his webpage:

Stephen M. Smith, M.D.

EDUCATION:

1985 A.B. – Duke University

1989 M.D. – Yale University School of Medicine

POSTDOCTORAL TRAINING:

1989-1991 Internal Medicine Residency, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA

1992(Jan.-June) Internal Medicine Residency, St. Michael’s Medical Center, Newark, NJ

1992-1995 Medical Staff Fellow in Infectious Diseases, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Bethesda, MD

1995-1996 Post-Doc, Molecular Virology Section, Laboratory of Molecular Microbiology, National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Bethesda, MD

1996-1998 Research Scientist, Laboratory of Animal Models of AIDS, Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center, Tuxedo and Manhattan, NY

LICENSURE: New Jersey Medical License

CERTIFICATIONS:

1986 Part I of the National Board of Medical Examiners
1989 Part II of the National Board of Medical Examiners
1990 Part III of the National Board of Medical Examiners
1992 Board Certification Internal Medicine – 145346
1994 Board Certification Infectious Diseases – 145346
2004 Board Recertification Infectious Diseases – 145346

UNIVERSITY APPOINTMENTS:

1998- 2009 Seton Hall School of Graduate Medical Education- Assistant Professor, Internal Medicine

1999- present University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Department of Preventive Medicine and Community Health – Assistant Professor

APPOINTMENTS:

1998- 2008: Program Director, Infectious Diseases, St. Michael’s Medical Center
2000- 2008: Chief, Infectious Diseases, Saint Michael’s Medical Center
2000- 2009: Medical Director, Peter Ho Memorial Clinic, Saint Michael’s Medical Center
2009-present: Executive Director and Founder, Smith Center for Infectious Diseases and Urban Health, East Orange, New Jersey
2009-present: Physician, ID Care, Hillsborough, New Jersey
2010-present: Member, Board of Trustees, Essex County Medical Society

[Hostage]

> “By the way, does Dr. Zelenko really have Covid-19?”

Every one of your statements is of ignorance and error.

You have demonstrated a lack of ability to learn.

This is my charitable contribution to your ‘education’:

Go and study the difference between terms ‘SAR-COV-2’ and ‘COVID-19’.

I will give you a head start, COVID-19 is a proper subset of SARS-COV-2.

Do not post to me again until you know and are able to explain the difference.

[Hostage]

Your understanding may be one process leading to pneumonia by another virus.

The SARS-COV-2 virus gets into the lungs which is not the triggering event. The trigger event is when this virus binds to an ACE2 receptor on a pneumocyte and creates a cytokine reaction which fills the pneumocyte with cellular fluid leading to rapid breathing, shortness of breath, hyperventilation. People with heart conditions can die quickly as in hours. Others must get to the hospital and get a ventilator as soon as possible.

The death cause is asphyxiation, suffocation, in effect drowning.

The mechanism of action of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is not only to clean the blood by binding to pathogens but also to remove the SARS-COV-2 from pneumocyte ACE2 receptors. The added Azithromycin is to mitigate infections.

The genius of Dr. Zelenko was his insight to use Zinc knowing it would amplify the potency of HCQ.

So here we have a Jewish ‘country’ doctor taking care of a Hasidic community of about 40,000 putting his powerful mind to focus on biochemistry and medicine to come up with a cure. He has unwittingly outperformed the entire US pharmaceutical research world not for attention or ambition but for the simple desire to care for his community. And he became positive for the virus in the process. I understand he is doing ok.

In more gentle times, Dr. Zelenko would be hailed as a national and international hero. But in these nasty, politicized times he is insulted and ridiculed.

When the dust clears, I see the President awarding Dr. Zelenko our nation’s highest honirs and internationally there should certainly be a Nobel Prize awarded him. Given his humble nature, I would not think these awards and honors are anything he seeks or has in mind, but the attention and ceremonies are important to witness especially for young people. They teach that we honor our heroes.

I do have my doubts that any honor ceremonies for frontline doctors such as Dr. Zelenko will be shared and broadcast among our fake news enemies. We live in terrible, nasty times. Nevertheless, we must record history faithfully.

[Hostage]

Thank you. NY/NJ medical societies are at the top, very strong. Dr. Smith is certainly formidable and considered a top expert.

[Norseman]

So, can I assume that you were also wrong when you claimed that Dr. Zelenko has Covid-19?

Is spreading misinformation part of your schtick, or what? Now Covid-19, the disease, is a subset of SARS-COV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19? That’s just not true. If it is, post a link supporting your claim.