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HUGE! MN Senator and Doctor: Hospitals Get Paid More to List Patients as COVID-19 and Three Times as Much if the Patient Goes on Ventilator (VIDEO)
Gatewaypundit ^ | April 9 2020 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 04/10/2020 4:52:56 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

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To: SmokingJoe

This also reminds me of what I read some years back about one of the doctors involved in the arguments for Roe v Wade in 1973, who a number of years after that Supreme Court decision on abortion admitted that both he and his colleague deliberately inflated the numbers of women who supposedly died from illegal backstreet abortions as part of the argument for legalizing abortion on demand in all states. Anybody else here have the same thoughts?


21 posted on 04/10/2020 5:26:52 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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To: abb
It's not a “payment.” It's not an “incentive.” It's not a “reimbursement.” It is a BOUNTY! No other term will suffice.

Yes. The sell will go like this:
“ You really hate Trump right?"
‘”Oh gee, ummm..don’t know. Maybe”
“OK. Why don't you help get rid of the SOB for good and make yourself a fortune too?
“How?”
“Just put “coronavirus” as cause of death on the death certificate that's how. It's easy. Who is going to challenge you? We won't"

22 posted on 04/10/2020 5:27:14 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Sigh,

Health Care is unlike any other industry, as much as folks like to believe it is not single payor, it already virtually is... 80% of what you spend on health care in your entire life, will be spent during the last 2 years fo your life... on average. And for most Americans that means MEDICARE is paying the bulk of your lifetime medical costs....

Whatever Medicare mandates, the rest of the industry follows suit, because, hospitals and doctors are not going to do a separate different process for you than they do for Medicare, so whatever that(medicare) process is, it is going to be adopted by any company that wants to stay in business long.

You improve revenues in Health Care delivery, not by being a better provider... like in the typical market place, you improve revenues (and profits) by better coding what you did for your patients for reimbursement.

Those that see this as fraud because they are looking at COVID 19, are completely ignorant of how the system works.... Believe a doctor is not intubating you to make more money.


23 posted on 04/10/2020 5:28:52 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SmokingJoe

$26,000 extra for using a ventilator.

Hmmm. The GM contract is for 30,000 ventilators for $489.4 million. Each ventilator will cost the ever generous taxpayer about $16,000.

So, each of those ventilators will cost us $42,000 if used once. If twice, $68,000. Thrice? Well, you get the idea.

No wonder everybody’s screaming for them.


24 posted on 04/10/2020 5:29:26 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (This tagline is an advertisement-free zone.)
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To: bert
Spoken like a true coronavirus Evangelist with an economy destroying agenda. You claim:

Only one CV case in the hospital disrupts the entire applecart forcing all sorts of very expensive change to kick in

Is that not what the huge Jacob K. Javits Center center in Manhattan that was converted into four 250-bed coronavirus hospitals, each about 40,000 square feet in size, with a massive 320 FEMA employees on hand (Thank you President Trump), and another huge emergency coronavirus medical facility at Central Park are for?

25 posted on 04/10/2020 5:42:21 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Fresh Wind
What is worse, the ventilators don't even work, and in some cases may even make the patient even worse off.
26 posted on 04/10/2020 5:44:12 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: vg0va3

I’ve had cancer, twice ~ “ through no fault of my own” ... where’s my payout ?????? /s


27 posted on 04/10/2020 5:51:33 AM PDT by nevermorelenore ( If My people will pray ....)
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To: HamiltonJay
Those that see this as fraud because they are looking at COVID 19, are completely ignorant of how the system works.... Believe a doctor is not intubating you to make more money.

Chuckle ! And I have a very nice 100 mile skiing slope in the middle of the Sahara Desert to sell ya. A snipe at only $4 Billion.

Believe a doctor is not intubating you to make more money.

Apart from literally hundreds of doctors who have served jail terms for Medicare fraud and another countless thousands who have simply gotten away with it, you are right. NOT!

28 posted on 04/10/2020 5:53:34 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: OttawaFreeper
This also reminds me of what I read some years back about one of the doctors involved in the arguments for Roe v Wade in 1973, who a number of years after that Supreme Court decision on abortion admitted that both he and his colleague deliberately inflated the numbers of women who supposedly died from illegal backstreet abortions as part of the argument for legalizing abortion on demand in all states. Anybody else here have the same thoughts?

Yes.

29 posted on 04/10/2020 5:56:55 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: OttawaFreeper

Simple message: follow the money.


30 posted on 04/10/2020 5:57:17 AM PDT by Mouton (The media is the enemy of the people.)
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To: vg0va3

Do the hospitals get paid for the ventilators which were sent by the federal government?? That would be akin to my stealing your car and using it for a taxi keeping the money I am paid.


31 posted on 04/10/2020 5:58:48 AM PDT by Mouton (The media is the enemy of the people.)
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To: Diogenesis

This is turning into Pandora’s Circus.


32 posted on 04/10/2020 6:00:13 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SmokingJoe

Heard last night that my accountant went to the hospital with regular old pneumonia (late 60s) He tested positive for Cov19. When I was in his office 2 weeks ago he said he was convinced he had the virus in December in Aruba. He’d had all the symptoms etc. They’ll count him as a victim though.


33 posted on 04/10/2020 6:11:56 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: SmokingJoe

It’s funny some Freepers thought the Chinese coronavirus figures were fake. Well the New York and other blue state figures are even more fake.


For NYC, at least, they can’t be fake enough to make a difference, even if there was an absolute willfulness to obviously make *every* normal death misclassified to COVID. COVID deaths there are multiple all other deaths combined for this entire month.

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Clearly, doctors are being given every incentive by a very political AMA, and Democratic governors, to simply make up coronavirus figures.


You have some evidence the pay scales have been altered for this outbreak? Any?

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The latest CDC directive encourages doctors to book deaths with coronavirus as deaths from coronavirus..


Not if you are literate. It’s really that bad.

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The more forgery and fraud you commit, the more money you get from the government.


This is always a danger, and doubtless there are a fair number of toss-up cases being decided based on that payoff, but that is also going to be locally driven. It’s also why “making whole”, shouldn’t quite.


34 posted on 04/10/2020 6:13:35 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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Senator Dr. Scott Jensen: Right now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much.


We’d have to see actual treatment costs, but typically Medicare pays less than treatment costs. In NY, it’s been under 40% of costs for decades - which is a big part of the whole cost-shifting thing that has driven billing rates through the roof.


35 posted on 04/10/2020 6:18:17 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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Please, your belief that fraud is rampant is nonsense. Are their abusers? Sure... but they generally are private practice doctors who are over billing or performing procedures that are not needed, not ER and ICU Docs!

No ICU/ER doc is intubating a patient, that does not need it, just so he can use a different billing code.

If you think Doctors in the ICU or ER are intubating patients just to get paid more you honestly have ZERO understanding of the industry. Let alone the details of ER and ICU medicine within a hospital.


36 posted on 04/10/2020 6:18:40 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: OttawaFreeper

This also reminds me of what I read some years back about one of the doctors involved in the arguments for Roe v Wade in 1973, who a number of years after that Supreme Court decision on abortion admitted that both he and his colleague deliberately inflated the numbers of women who supposedly died from illegal backstreet abortions as part of the argument for legalizing abortion on demand in all states. Anybody else here have the same thoughts?


1) It’s a daily report.
2) In places like NYC, it’s 200-300% daily of normal deaths that are from COVID, not claiming to discover 1,000 deaths among millions, years later. Are there massive death squads roaming NYC that no one has noticed?
3) NYCs COVID deaths are about a third of the national total. After the excess deaths from NYC are taken into account there’s not really a lot of room for the same type of deception.


37 posted on 04/10/2020 6:25:48 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Fresh Wind

$26,000 extra for using a ventilator.
Hmmm. The GM contract is for 30,000 ventilators for $489.4 million. Each ventilator will cost the ever generous taxpayer about $16,000.
So, each of those ventilators will cost us $42,000 if used once. If twice, $68,000. Thrice? Well, you get the idea.


Because clearly “ventilator costs” are just about getting the device, plugging it in to power, handing the tube to the patient, and letting them use it until they finish.


38 posted on 04/10/2020 6:29:02 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SmokingJoe
Are you crazy?

Just a crazy guy joke.

39 posted on 04/10/2020 6:31:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Die-ggl,TWT,FCBK,NYT,WPo,Hwd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antf,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA,ARP,MSNBC)
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To: SmokingJoe

As an implied anti trumper, you noted events in New York City. In doing so, you omitted 97% of the country and hospitals to which the Javits Center organization don’t apply.

I think you would be right at home among the presstitutes that attend the daily briefings and constantly attempt to demean the President’s efforts


40 posted on 04/10/2020 6:48:30 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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