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The dangerous liberal ideas for censorship in the United States
The Hill ^ | May 2, 2020 | Jonathan Turley

Posted on 05/02/2020 10:37:08 AM PDT by billorites

Almost everywhere you turn today, politicians are telling the public to “get used to the new normal” after the pandemic. For some, this means public health precautions from social distancing to banning handshakes. Others have quickly added long standing dreams for everything from the guaranteed income advocated by Representative Ocasio Cortez, and also raised by House Speaker Pelosi, to mailed voting elections advocated by many Democrats.

The most chilling suggestion comes from politicians and academics who have called for the censorship of social media and the internet. The only thing spreading faster than the virus has been censorship and the calls for greater restrictions on free speech. The Atlantic published an article last week by Harvard Law School professor Jack Goldsmith and University of Arizona law professor Andrew Keane Woods calling for Chinese style censorship of the internet.

They declared that “in the great debate of the past two decades about freedom versus control of the network, China was largely right and the United States was largely wrong.”

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Chinese professor Xu Zhangrun is one of many arrested after publishing criticism of President X on his handling of the crisis. The government just deemed such criticism to be fake news causing panic. It has censored accounts of its concealing the source of the initial outbreak, including censorship on such Chinese apps as WeChat.

Citizens now will have to decide, as Goldsmith and Woods insist, if “China was right.” For my part, I am hopeless in my desire for old fashioned free speech. You see, this “new normal” seems a lot like the old normal that the Framers changed with the First Amendment. China may be right for many in Congress and academia, but it remains on the wrong side of history. Not even a pandemic will change that.

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1 posted on 05/02/2020 10:37:08 AM PDT by billorites
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>>They declared that “in the great debate of the past two decades about freedom versus control of the network, China was largely right and the United States was largely wrong.”<<

OK, folks, have it your way. I don’t like what you said. HANG’EM IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE!


2 posted on 05/02/2020 10:39:16 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("DonÂ’t mistake activity for achievement." - John Wooden)
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To: billorites

“the new normal” SIL said this today, I bit her head off!


3 posted on 05/02/2020 10:40:22 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Harvard Law School professor Jack Goldsmith and University of Arizona law professor Andrew Keane Woods calling for Chinese style censorship of the internet

Reminds me of a Spencer Tracy movie I saw once. It was about how a judge sided with evil in the name of “law” but eventually paid the consequences.


4 posted on 05/02/2020 10:41:55 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: billorites

These are not liberal ideas. Leftism is about illiberal authoritarian control over people and crushing basic rights. The leftists have beaten the liberals.


5 posted on 05/02/2020 10:46:23 AM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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To: billorites

CW-II is coming.

Not yet, but close.

Stockpiling popcorn for round one.


6 posted on 05/02/2020 10:46:30 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: FenwickBabbitt

Communists hijacked the word “liberal”. A “Liberal” is anything but.


7 posted on 05/02/2020 10:49:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Yes, but when our side uses the word liberal to refer to Marxists/socialists/anarchists/radicals, we run the risk of people thinking of old-time patriotic Democrats instead of the authoritarian extremists who have largely taken over the Democrat Party now.


8 posted on 05/02/2020 10:55:46 AM PDT by FenwickBabbitt
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To: billorites
The Atlantic published an article last week

I have noticed truckloads of commie crap coming out of "The Atlantic" lately.

Did the CCP buy them?

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9 posted on 05/02/2020 10:57:03 AM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Da Coyote

CW-II is coming.

Not yet, but close.

Stockpiling popcorn for round one.

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It’s here. The last 4-5 years of going after Trump, ANTIFA antics, vilification of white men>>all whites, degradation of biological surety, abrogation of parental rights, sexualization of children,destruction of language, destruction of education and non-stop attacks on our Founding, the Constitution and the rule of law (much of it from inside the institutions): That _was round one.

Corona Virus was Round Two.

Lockdown, deprivation of rights under color law is Round Three.<<<we are here.

This is assymetric warm warfare. By governorships and counting party make up of state legislators, we are a 50%/50% nation. Add to list above that the USA is balkanized.

Hopefully, you’ve stockpiled more than popcorn.


10 posted on 05/02/2020 10:58:53 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: dfwgator

Amen to that. I never use the word “liberal” except when referring to old-fashioned Democrats of the Hubert Humphrey mold.

I may not have agreed with them, but occasionally they had interesting things to say.

Today, I use “leftist” to describe the degenerates that dominate the RAT party.


11 posted on 05/02/2020 11:12:32 AM PDT by Nothingburger
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A “Liberal” is anything but.

Exactly. Liberals demand conformance with their agenda. Not just conformance and acceptance, but you must "celebrate" every point on their agenda.

Dare to hold religious beliefs that don't align with their world-view? You and your business must be denigrated and ostracized at a minimum, sued out of business if possible.

Dare to hold an opinion on national sovereignty that precludes open borders? You *must* be a racist.

Dare to believe in simple heterosexual relationships? Or even that people's sex lives are part of their private lives and should, by definition remain private? You must be a homophobe.

Yes, the "liberals" certainly do "celebrate diversity" as long as your "diversity" completely and totally conforms to everything they believe in. If you dare to have your own opinions, own beliefs, that celebration of diversity on their part comes to a very sudden stop. It crashes hard up against their fascist tendencies to want to control every aspect of our lives.

12 posted on 05/02/2020 11:18:41 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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The only thing worse than a Fascist is an “Anti-Fascist”.


13 posted on 05/02/2020 11:21:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: billorites

The left has NEVER believed in free speech. They just don’t think they have to pay it lip service anymore.


14 posted on 05/02/2020 11:24:06 AM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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They aren’t liberals.

They haven’t been liberals since progressivism first emerged.

They aren’t like the original progressives either, who were already bad enough, and haven’t been like them since Stalin’s useful idiots weaseled their way into neigh every nook and cranny of academia, k12 education, the media, civilian government, etc...

But wait, they’re no longer like the useful idiots either but are riddled with the cultural Marxists that the Soviets wanted to create in the West who would be incapable of sustaining a civilization!

So, hey, what more could they do but become the embodiment of tyranny and police state wannabes? It’s not like that stinky turd can’t get much worse ... without the Mark of the Beast and the Beast’s new Caliphate for them to serve on hand.


15 posted on 05/02/2020 11:24:49 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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For three years, the left has been claiming that Trump is a "dictator" or a "monarch," even as they fail to provide any sort of evidence whatsoever to support the claim.

But now, the party of "never let a crisis go to waste," seems to be assuming the authoritarian role with considerable relish. In recent weeks we've seen:

widespread shutdowns of businesses, even in areas with little or no impact from the corona virus

bans on religious services, including restrictions on communion services and common Bibles and hymnals

bans on gun purchases

stay-at-home orders

government-sponsored spying on neighbors

arbitrary designations of businesses as "essential" and "non-essential," with seeming preference given to large corporate chains

crackdowns on the freedom of assembly to protest government actions

bans on visiting your neighbor (police were even called to harass a woman who let her daughter play with a neighbor girl)

fines and arrests of solitary beachcombers and kayakers

crackdowns by Big Tech on free speech and "incorrect" opinions
16 posted on 05/02/2020 11:26:04 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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The only thing worse than a Fascist is an “Anti-Fascist”.

Yeah, funny how those "anti fascist" types are so willing to adopt very fascist-like attitudes and techniques to "force" their anti-fascism beliefs on others. But you know, they've convinced themselves they're battling fascists, so the ends justifies any means - even becoming exactly what they claim to be against.

17 posted on 05/02/2020 11:28:09 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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To: billorites

Democrats are evil scum.


18 posted on 05/02/2020 11:29:49 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

The problem comes in that they think anyone who dares oppose them must be a “fascist”.

And I always note why they use “Fascist” rather than “Nazi”. They refer to Hitler as a “Fascist”, even though it was Musolini who was the only real “fascist”.

Of course if they used the term “Nazi”, which stood for “National Socialist”, they would be admitting that Hitler was a fellow Socialist, can’t have that.


19 posted on 05/02/2020 11:36:13 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: billorites

Inside every “liberal” is a Totalitarian screaming to get out.


20 posted on 05/02/2020 11:37:29 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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