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Swedish Covid-19 expert says other Scandinavian countries will be hit just as badly when they lift restrictions and Places like New Zealand face DECADES of quarantining foreigners
Daily Mail ^ | 05/08/2020 | Chris Pleasance

Posted on 05/08/2020 7:13:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

SUMMARY:

* Swedish expert Johan Giesecke believes coronavirus lockdowns are 'futile'

* Lack of a vaccine means that everyone will be exposed eventually, he argues

* That means strict measures are only delaying mass infection, not preventing it

* He defended Sweden's lockdown-free strategy, saying other countries will catch up with its case and death tolls whether they went into lockdown or not

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Sweden's former top virus expert has launched a blistering defence of the country's coronavirus strategy, saying that lockdowns are merely delaying an inevitable surge in cases and deaths - not preventing it.

Johan Giesecke says attempts to stop the spread of the disease are 'futile' because everyone is likely to be exposed to it before a treatment can be found, meaning all countries will end up in a similar position regardless of what measures they took.

Mr Giesecke predicts that the numbers of infections and cases in Denmark, Norway and Finland - which went into full lockdown - will rise to match those of Sweden - which didn't - as restrictions are eased in the coming weeks.

Meanwhile New Zealand, which has managed to heavily suppress the virus with its lockdown, is now at risk of importing cases from overseas, he says.

The only way to mitigate that risk would be to quarantine all new arrivals for 14 days, with the measure remaining in place for as long as it takes to find a vaccine.

That could take a decade or more, he told Swedish newspaper DN, with the effectiveness of such vaccines as-yet unproven.

In the face of such uncertainty, it is better to let the virus run its course provided infections can be suppressed enough to stop hospitals being overwhelmed, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; herdimmunity; sweden

1 posted on 05/08/2020 7:13:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The total number of deaths will eventually be the same from COVID-19 in those countries that shut down and those that remain open The total deaths from all causes will be less in those countries that remain open since they will not suffer the deprivations involved with economic constriction. This scenario will only be mitigated by the development of a safe, effective, widely available vaccine. Herd immunity will eventually occur, rapidly or slowly. It won’t be pretty to watch the culling of the herd. Not talking about cows.


2 posted on 05/08/2020 7:24:07 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps New Zealand is owned by trillionaires and will close itself off from the world as a new Hermit kingdom. Rich folks can go there and escape prosecution.


3 posted on 05/08/2020 7:26:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: SeekAndFind
New Zealand - is now at risk of importing cases from overseas - The only way to mitigate that risk would be to quarantine all new arrivals for 14 days.

Kiss away all those cruise tourist dollars. NZ generates a good chunk of its economy from tourists. Several dozen cruises each visiting 3-4 port towns.

All that $$ gone if they impose a 2 week quarantine on international tourists.

4 posted on 05/08/2020 7:27:49 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: SeekAndFind

Just another ray of sunshine brought to you by “The Experts, Inc.”


5 posted on 05/08/2020 7:29:11 AM PDT by glennaro (Dennis Prager: "Until It's Safe" means "Never")
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To: SeekAndFind

Bending curves does not necessarily mean changing outcomes.

We may have very well just taken a bunch of old, sick people who were going to die this year anyway and compressed those deaths within a span of a few weeks.


6 posted on 05/08/2020 7:38:43 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: SeekAndFind

So if the common cold is caused by a corona virus, we should be able to make a vaccine for Covid just like we did for the cold.

Oh, wait.


7 posted on 05/08/2020 7:42:44 AM PDT by glock rocks (orange man bad-ass)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with the bullet points in the summary.

The virus is gonna do what it’s gonna do.
Eventually, everyone will catch it.
Bending the curve only allowed time for the hospitals to accommodate caseloads.

Best thing to do? pre-treat the vulnerable with the Hydroxy Trifecta and open it all up.


8 posted on 05/08/2020 7:43:18 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Meanwhile New Zealand, which has managed to heavily suppress the virus with its lockdown, is now at risk of importing cases from overseas, he says.”

I always wonder: if everyone in the United States, except for just one person, were successfully locked down from the virus and returned to work, then that one person would, over time, cause the same outbreak and require another lock down. That would go on forever.

The lock down happened because no one knew the extent of the damage the virus would cause, (no one knew just what the Chicoms had programmed into it). Now, we have a knowledge base, and it is time to end lock downs and concentrate on protecting the groups that are vulnerable.


9 posted on 05/08/2020 8:21:23 AM PDT by odawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Outstanding thread with brainstorming like President Trump has done. The left does not think like this. They see models and opportunity. It all started with patient zero/index zero. The left is redoing the curve as we are coming out of the last curve;wait 30 days to the next 30;phase to phase,stage to stage,wash,rinse,repeat. They say wait for a vaccine. The odds of a vaccine readily available soon are slim to never.


10 posted on 05/08/2020 9:31:26 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

THIS is the logical reason why most of us have an instinctive wariness of strangers. The most likely source of a new plague is not that weird animal you roasted on a spit. It is a stranger with a cough.

Liberals are defined by a love of novelty. In politics, this equals hating the familiar and loving the foreign as well as breaking down sexual barriers. The more exotic, the better. This impulse must be checked because BOTH impulses spread diseases, be it STDs or killer plagues.


11 posted on 05/08/2020 10:12:41 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: glennaro

THIS is the logical reason why most of us have an instinctive wariness of strangers. The most likely source of a new plague is not that weird animal you roasted on a spit. It is a stranger with a cough.

Liberals are defined by a love of novelty. In politics, this equals hating the familiar and loving the foreign as well as breaking down sexual barriers. The more exotic, the better. This impulse must be checked because BOTH impulses spread diseases, be it STDs or killer plagues.


12 posted on 05/08/2020 10:12:57 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: odawg

THIS is the logical reason why most of us have an instinctive wariness of strangers. The most likely source of a new plague is not that weird animal you roasted on a spit. It is a stranger with a cough.

Liberals are defined by a love of novelty. In politics, this equals hating the familiar and loving the foreign as well as breaking down sexual barriers. The more exotic, the better. This impulse must be checked because BOTH impulses spread diseases, be it STDs or killer plagues.


13 posted on 05/08/2020 10:13:17 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: SeekAndFind

The medical professionals and our political class in the West has gone totalitarian crazy. They have jumped the shark.


14 posted on 05/08/2020 10:51:15 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck ("Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither.")
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